Riley: No pulse. Anya: Yup. The space lamb got 'im.

'Never Leave Me'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


DavidS - Dec 20, 2004 9:17:43 am PST #3470 of 3902
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

( continues...) me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom."
--"Mount Doom", The Return of the King

Standing at the Crack of Doom, Frodo was wearing the Ring and overmastered by it. He was in his last need, attacked again by Smeagol. When Gollum bit off the Ring-finger, the Ring remained on Frodo's finger so that it continued to see Frodo as it's wearer and his commands to still be in effect. The Ring did not seem to "realize" that it was no longer connected to Frodo and therefore was unaware of its own danger when it, obeying Frodo's command, sent Gollum over the precipice into the Fire of Doom.
Gollum had also promised that he would not let Sauron have the Ring, and Sauron had just become aware of its presence and the danger when Frodo put on the Ring by the Crack of Doom. All his thought was bent immediately to it, taking him from all other pursuits and sending all the Ringwraiths to the Mount of Doom. They could not have escaped the Ring's taking by Sauron except by its unmaking.
Thus the oath sworn to Frodo on the Ring and his additional commands worked together so that Gollum was forced to become the tool for the destruction of the Ring and destroy himself the moment that Frodo was stopped by the Ring from completing the quest, claiming it.
Add in that Bilbo bequeathed the One Ring to Frodo and let him take the terrible mission to carry the Ring to Mount Doom because he understood his own infirmities of age, and we have a third Ringbearer who took part in its destruction.
SamWise, as well, may be added to that number bringing it to four, as the Ringbearer who voluntarily returned the Ring to Frodo, and who selflessly aided Frodo's quest, even to the point of giving him the last of the water and carrying Frodo on his back up the mountainside.
Add in as well the oft-forgotten Deagol, who found the lost Ring deep in the waters of the Anduin, bringing the Ring back into play for its ultimate destruction. If not for him, it would not have come to Smeagol/ Gollum to hide in the roots of the mountains until it could be given, as Gandalf said (in FotR, "Shadow of the Past") it was "meant" to be, to Bilbo. From there it was inherited by the finest of the hobbits, the one who would take the Ring to its beginnings, Frodo.
Thus, thanks to the hobbit Ringbearers, the only ones able to carry the Ring for any length of time without being taken over by a desire for power, the Ring was doomed.

References: Fellowship of the Ring: "Shadow of the Past", The Return of the King: "Mount Doom"; The Two Towers : "The Taming of Smeagol", "The Black Gate is Closed"


sumi - Dec 20, 2004 9:22:31 am PST #3471 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!

Very interesting.

Jilli -- I'm NOT arachnophobic and there were these images in the design gallery that were freaking me out. (For some reason the pale unpainted versions of the spider were more freaky than the painted ones.)


Atropa - Dec 20, 2004 9:26:15 am PST #3472 of 3902
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Jilli -- I'm NOT arachnophobic and there were these images in the design gallery that were freaking me out. (For some reason the pale unpainted versions of the spider were more freaky than the painted ones.)

It was interesting to listen to. Of course, it was probably made more interesting by the various "Nyyggaaah! Don't open your eyes!" interjections from Pete.


Connie Neil - Dec 20, 2004 9:59:54 am PST #3473 of 3902
brillig

Hubby bravely kept telling me, "Don't look, not yet," but I was being brave and watching--until the funnel web spiders were mentioned. I'm sorry, billytea, but I'm not travelling to a country where those things are common. I wrote off South America due to jumping spiders years ago.


sumi - Dec 20, 2004 10:06:20 am PST #3474 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!

Aren't funnel web spiders NZ? Not Australia.


Kathy A - Dec 20, 2004 10:17:46 am PST #3475 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Actually, I think that they specified that the spiders they modelled Shelob on were NZ's tunnel spiders, not the Australian funnel web ones. Christian Rivers tells about getting some from his home garden and bringing them in, which was an effort on his part considering he himself is a bit of an arachnophobe.


sumi - Dec 20, 2004 10:20:29 am PST #3476 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!

It's pretty clear that the reason why the spider passages are so frightening is that not only was Tolkien arachnophobic but so is Peter Jackson.


Kathy A - Dec 20, 2004 10:21:24 am PST #3477 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Cereal to add: Tunnel-web spider from NZ: [link]

Funnel web spider from Australia: [link]


Connie Neil - Dec 20, 2004 10:23:14 am PST #3478 of 3902
brillig

t avoiding Kathy's links with the fervor of a holy martyr

New Zealand, Australia--big-assed spiders mean no visits from me.


Kathy A - Dec 20, 2004 10:39:37 am PST #3479 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Aww, but New Zealand also has the weta!