I had a whole section about civic pride.

Mayor ,'Chosen'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Consuela - Jun 01, 2004 1:12:15 pm PDT #2694 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

In the books, he discovers a green stone from an elf when he's trying to get Frodo to Rivendell (after he's stabbed on Weathertop). He wears it for the rest of the story, and the people of Gondor dub him Elessar (meaning "Elf-Stone") while he's doing the healing thing that was cut out of the theatrical version of RotK.

Um. Not quite. Glorfindel left a beryl on the bridge for them to find, yes. But that's not the green stone he's named after.

The Elfstone is a green jewel given to him by Galadriel, which ... hell. I forget the lineage. I think it used to belong to Celebrian, and it's symbolic of the bond between him & Arwen. In the movie, they use that odd silvery thing, but in the novel it's clear it's a green rock.

They do indeed call him after the stone he wears, but it's the stone Galadriel gives him, not the beryl.


Kathy A - Jun 01, 2004 1:18:29 pm PDT #2695 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Ah. Sorry!


Consuela - Jun 01, 2004 1:21:41 pm PDT #2696 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'm sure someone with a more comprehensive knowledge (::Cough::Jeff Mejia::cough::) will come along soon and correct us both. *grin*


JohnSweden - Jun 01, 2004 1:56:50 pm PDT #2697 of 3902
I can't even.

From the Encyclopedia of Arda:

"High title and surname of Aragorn son of Arathorn. It was long foretold that he would take this name; it was given to him in Lórien by Galadriel. She granted him a gift of a green stone set in a silver brooch in the shape of an eagle as he and the Company of the Ring left her land (on 16 February III 3019). 'In this hour,' she said, 'take the name that was foretold for you, Elessar, the Elfstone of the house of Elendil!'

When Aragorn took up the kingship of Gondor, he assumed the name Elessar, and later references to him take the form 'King Elessar'."

Away from the books, or I'd dig more.

ETA: A couple of quotes:

III 294: "... before them came walking slow the Lord Aragorn. He was clad in black mail, girt with silver, and he wore a long mantle of pure white clasped at the throat with a great jewel of green that shone from afar"

I 493 "... as she held it up the gem flashed like the sun shining through the leaves of spring. 'This stone I gave to Celebrian my daughter, and she to hers; and now it comes to you as a token of hope.'"


MechaKrelboyne - Jun 01, 2004 3:45:39 pm PDT #2698 of 3902
... and that's a Pantera's box you don't want to open. - Mister Furious

You got it in one. Orcs are French

And that's how they know what a menu is, and why meat should be back on it. Next to wine and stinky cheese. Gothcha.

'Ah, mes amis! Ze meat, she is back on ze menu, non? Honh Honh!'

Yeah, that's all I want to say.


Consuela - Jun 01, 2004 3:55:05 pm PDT #2699 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

'This stone I gave to Celebrian my daughter, and she to hers; and now it comes to you as a token of hope.'

Galadriel to Celebrian to Arwen. Excellent.


JohnSweden - Jun 01, 2004 3:57:21 pm PDT #2700 of 3902
I can't even.

Next to wine and stinky cheese. Gothcha.

So orcs are Christopher Ward?

t /obscure Canadian reference


DXMachina - Jun 01, 2004 4:04:23 pm PDT #2701 of 3902
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Better than Burt Ward. (Notice lately how a lot of the conversations on the board end up being about one Robin or another?)


Beverly - Jun 01, 2004 9:02:52 pm PDT #2702 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Um, isn't one of the meanings of Elessar "hope"? Or am I remembering that wrong?


helentm - Jun 01, 2004 10:15:40 pm PDT #2703 of 3902
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre

The question that JRRT never got around to answering was where the heck the Eye was planning on wearing the Ring since it is, in fact, just an eye.

I've reread the books, and can't find any reference to Sauron being an eye. I think 'the eye of Sauron' was meant to be a metaphor, rather than a literal enormous flaming eyeball. Anyone got any supporting/contradicting quotes?