I can beat up demons until the cows come home, and then I can beat up the cows.

Buffy ,'Dirty Girls'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Una - Apr 23, 2004 9:45:38 am PDT #2572 of 3902
when i die, please bake my ashes into a brick and use me to hit fascists.

I wanted a bit more skill in the fighting, too.

ITA--for a kickass chick, she just didn't kick as much ass as she could've...


Volans - Apr 25, 2004 9:26:58 am PDT #2573 of 3902
move out and draw fire

(nodding vigourously with all points. Yeah, on both sides.)

I love the movies, but there are some really really bad decisions in them. Which in a way may be the zen-type blemish that enhances the overall....if Spielberg had done them, there would be no jarring missteps, but there would be nothing new and breathtaking (also, the Nazi imagery would've been more than just the one scene).

IMHO, most of the missteps were in ROTK. The way Merry and Pippin joined up with Sam and Frodo sucked, as did the interesting physics of "Lean forward, Frodo! Your 80 pounds will affect this several thousand tons of falling stonework!" But otherwise, FOTR was amazingly good. I'm even reconciled to Arwen, although not to Liv.

TTT, I'm still wavering on Theoden's possession. The only things I really really hate from that movie are Slapstick!Gimli and the bullshit with the warg battle and disappearing Aragorn (tho they did give us Arwen the Magical Kissy Horse). The stuff in Osgiliath I hated at the time but am OK with now.

ROTK fell down hard for me, because every scene that was an emotional walloper in the book was changed for the movie, and lessened in the change. Pippin being tempted by the Palantir. Saruman's death scene (missing entirely, and even the one that will be in the EE isn't as meaningful). The Scouring, gone. The Fellowship's despair at the Morannon. Denethor's attempted destruction of himself and his son, his madness in general, and his death. It just comes off silly in the movie. Eowyn's descent into that dark desperate place, and her and Merry's victory over the Witch-King. Sam's choice.

The battles and the beacons were way more emotional than in the books, so I guess that's the trade-off.

watching FotR EE day before yesterday and during the scene at the end when he rescues him from drowning I got all sad thinking about Frodo making Sam leave in RotK

This is a great thing about these movies: the rewatch potential is amazing. I tear up at the Council of Elrond now when Mippin joins up, and I tear up seeing happy healthy Frodo.


sumi - Apr 25, 2004 5:31:32 pm PDT #2574 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!

I watched the extras on Once Upon a Time in Mexico this afternoon and you know what? I now want one of the LotR dvd sets to have a track w/o dialogue but with soundtrack and soundtrack commentary only.


§ ita § - Apr 25, 2004 5:32:38 pm PDT #2575 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The Matrix did that, and it was marvellous.


Beverly - Apr 25, 2004 8:33:28 pm PDT #2576 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Oddly, Don Juan diMarco had one too, with subtitles. It was really fascinating.

Raquel, it is but a tiny nitpick, but I thought Aragorn had Frodo "lean forward" so as to be better positioned for the jumping and carrying him forward, not to affect the swaying stone staircase, 'cause, like, that would be silly, right?


Kate P. - Apr 26, 2004 6:49:47 am PDT #2577 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I definitely thought Aragorn had Frodo lean forward so as to affect the direction of the toppling slab of stone. La la la, not thinking about it too hard...


Liese S. - Apr 26, 2004 9:41:57 pm PDT #2578 of 3902
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

We were just snarking at this the other night. You know, if you are part of a fellowship whose job is to tag along with the Ringbearer on his way to Mt. Doom, it might be a good idea to toss him across first, say, before the giant steps start to fall conveniently in the right direction.


sumi - Apr 27, 2004 7:28:08 am PDT #2579 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!

Damn -- look what we missed:

El episodio de Miami Vice en donde aparece Viggo "Red Tape," será televisado en EEUU por el canal TNN en la mañana de abril 17. ¡Gracias a Dawn!


helentm - Apr 28, 2004 1:24:32 am PDT #2580 of 3902
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre

What about that pause? Y'know, when the Fellowship's in that big open cavern, and 30000 slimy things climb down the pillars and completely surround them, and sit there. For three minutes. Thinking '30000 of us, 9 of them, can we take them?'

It's only an editing glitch, but it messes with the suspension of disbelief, and that bugs.


Volans - Apr 28, 2004 2:59:41 am PDT #2581 of 3902
move out and draw fire

Hey, you can tell Legolas was thinking "30,000 of them, one of me. I can take them!"