Also, the change to his demise made the character less than he was in the book.
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LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".
Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".
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Frankenbuddha - Mar 02, 2004 6:16:36 pm PST #2146 of 3902
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Kathy A - Mar 02, 2004 6:19:31 pm PST #2147 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil
I still think the pride and despair were shown as significant flaws that lessened the respect owed him.
I think that the words said over Boromir's death, as compared to that of his father's, show exactly what JRRT thought of the two men's final actions. Boromir gets a beautiful, elegaic send-off because of his redemptive actions by trying to save Merry and Pippin. Denethor gets a rather dismissive farewell line from Gandalf.
I do like some of the fanfic I've read recently that speculate that Pippin had lingering issues from Denethor's final days and minutes (hobbit angst fic--my favorite!), but Tolkien never really goes into that possibility, unfortunately.
Connie Neil - Mar 02, 2004 6:36:03 pm PST #2148 of 3902
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I like how they describe Denethor's palantir after his death, as only showing two hands slowly clenching in fire, unless the person doing the viewing had a strong enough will to bring the palantir to heel.
Consuela - Mar 02, 2004 8:22:57 pm PST #2149 of 3902
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Also, the change to his demise made the character less than he was in the book
Yes, this. Denethor is just about the only instance in the movies where a major character suffered as a result of the adaptation. Almost everyone else got more interesting and complicated, not less.
I felt sorry for John Noble, because the book-Denethor was an interesting guy, if tragic. Movie-Denethor, NSM.
Frankenbuddha - Mar 03, 2004 4:48:12 am PST #2150 of 3902
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I felt sorry for John Noble, because the book-Denethor was an interesting guy, if tragic. Movie-Denethor, NSM.
Doubly so because I thought Noble was very good in the role they gave him, and I think he would have been fine if it had been as written.
Making him lose it bascially just over his sons diminishes his character, whereas in the book, because of the palantir and Sauron, he thinks all hope is lost period - his sons are the final straw, not the whole enchilada (to mix metaphors).
sumi - Mar 03, 2004 5:48:11 am PST #2151 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!
Did we know that Karl Urban is going to be in the new Bourne movie?
sumi - Mar 03, 2004 6:03:29 am PST #2152 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!
Kathy Astrom posted this link over on WX:
And it's a JJ Abrams and it's got Ian Somerhalder so lots of the pretty, no?
Astarte - Mar 03, 2004 6:58:48 am PST #2153 of 3902
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.
Yay! Go Dom with the career having.
§ ita § - Mar 03, 2004 7:00:01 am PST #2154 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Okay, Billy needs work now.
sumi - Mar 03, 2004 7:16:11 am PST #2155 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!
You mean, better work.