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LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the dog 'Strider'".

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.

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Volans - Jan 08, 2004 4:10:58 pm PST #1330 of 3902

move out and draw fire

it being said that all elves are blond

It says that most elves have dark hair. Legolas in the book is described as having dark hair. Faramir has black hair also.

Mike Martinez or somebody over at Suite 101 did a piece on how old Legolas is. It's never said, but his grandfather was at the Last Alliance smackdown and he wasn't, so he's younger than Elrond. He'd never been to Fangorn or Lorien. I would suspect he's around 1700, but dunno. I always thought of him as a younger son of Thranduil, not the heir. You know, expendable.

Kalshane - Jan 08, 2004 5:49:21 pm PST #1331 of 3902

GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Gotcha. So apparently the blond wigs were on sale when it came time to outfit the elves rather than there being a good reason for it.

I'm just glad they left Elrond dark-haired. I believe I saw an early production photo that showed Hugo Weaving in a blond wig. It was positively hideous. Not that some of the other elves looked any better.

Beverly - Jan 08, 2004 7:17:35 pm PST #1332 of 3902

Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

So if Legolas is, um, 2000 or so, and Gimli made his appearance after the events in The Hobbit, then I was right when I tch-tched him for calling Legolas "lad". Heh. Point to me. Two points, actually, he called Aragorn "laddie," too.

§ ita § - Jan 08, 2004 7:26:25 pm PST #1333 of 3902

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, Gimli is a smug crotchety bastard.

Nah, I got nothing.

edit: WAIT -- Gimli's younger than Bilbo? That's kinda fresh-faced.

Elena - Jan 08, 2004 7:30:20 pm PST #1334 of 3902

Thanks for all the fish.

Hell, at this rate Gimli might be younger than Frodo.

Katie M - Jan 08, 2004 7:33:09 pm PST #1335 of 3902

I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Do we actually *know* that Gimli's younger than Bilbo?

I went and looked it up, and he isn't. Bilbo was born in 2890; Gimli in 2879. (The events of LotR take place in 3018-19.) So Gimli is older than Aragorn, but certainly younger than Legolas.

§ ita § - Jan 08, 2004 7:33:57 pm PST #1336 of 3902

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So Gimli is older than Aragorn, but certainly younger than Legolas.

Ahh. So he owes nothing to the ring, then, save his continued relationship with his dad.

Katie M - Jan 08, 2004 7:36:07 pm PST #1337 of 3902

I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Hmm? What do you mean?

§ ita § - Jan 08, 2004 7:37:50 pm PST #1338 of 3902

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jess had said:

[Which means, ironically, that Gimli has the Ring to thank for his existance, since without it, Bilbo wouldn't have been able to get the dwarves out of prison.]

Sean K - Jan 08, 2004 7:38:52 pm PST #1339 of 3902

You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Hmm? What do you mean?

Somebody earlier brought up the possibility that Gimli owes his existence to the Ring, as Bilbo used it to get his dad out of Thranduil's hall.

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