I knew there was a reason I didn't consider Orson Scott Card to be a reliable source of moral definitions.
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Connie Neil - May 18, 2005 10:53:08 am PDT #7689 of 10002
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Nutty - May 18, 2005 10:55:45 am PDT #7690 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
My problem with Orson Scott Card was always that he had no idea what children really act like. The moral stuff was always vaguely present and irritating, but no moreso than the Mormon! Ask me how! subtext. Well, until the later books.
Betsy HP - May 18, 2005 10:56:43 am PDT #7691 of 10002
If I only had a brain...
I think I ran away from Orson Scott Card when I realized that every. single. book. had child sexual abuse in it.
§ ita § - May 18, 2005 10:57:41 am PDT #7692 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
every. single. book. had child sexual abuse in it.
A little boy, lost because of his genius, is treated very badly by grownups. Lather, rinse, repeat.
JohnSweden - May 18, 2005 12:04:49 pm PDT #7693 of 10002
I can't even.
I think I ran away from Orson Scott Card when I realized that every. single. book. had child sexual abuse in it.
One trick pony, plus y'know, disturbing subtext. It was a good trick the first couple of times, but after that I was like, "Hey, Scott, what else you got?"
Consuela - May 18, 2005 4:00:02 pm PDT #7694 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I'm trying to recall if there was sexual abuse in the Alvin Maker novels. I forget.
Betsy HP - May 18, 2005 5:16:33 pm PDT #7695 of 10002
If I only had a brain...
I think there may not have been. I thought the first two or so were excellent, till it all turned into Joseph! Smith! Does! It! Right!
Consuela - May 18, 2005 5:56:53 pm PDT #7696 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I liked the first 2, and then it went somewhere I didn't like, so I stopped reading.
Fred Pete - May 18, 2005 6:18:49 pm PDT #7697 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.
I was in NC when Ender was winning every award in sight and Card, as a local author, was the toast of local fandom. He struck me as a good short story author (look at the original "Ender's Game" and the original Alvin Maker story) who suffered when he tried to stretch it out to a series of novels.
I can't say I saw anvilly Mormonism, but I never read too far into any of his series.
Jessica - May 18, 2005 6:25:32 pm PDT #7698 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
He's gotten more anvilly in recent years. (And his political columns make me want to burn every book of his I own.)
But if I ignore all of that, I still love Ender's Game, The Worthing Saga, and the Tales of Dread stories.