Love isn't brains, children, it's blood, blood screaming inside you to work its will.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Susan W. - Feb 27, 2005 10:27:00 am PST #7078 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

That sounds really good. It's cool that you're having actual problems like the war and class issues in it. So much more romantic.

I hope so--that's how I think of it. But I think there's a certain portion of the reading population that's in it for the lords-and-ladies fantasy (not that there's anything wrong with that), and the market caters to it. Also, some of the contest judges and beta readers who've seen it so far can't see why the class difference between the hero and heroine is such a big deal, which frustrates me because I feel like it's solid and organic to the world I'm writing in in a way that many romance novel conflicts aren't. I mean, these people come from worlds that could never fully accept the other person, so being together is going to mean giving up the dreams and hopes and family security they had before they met. Which I think is a huge deal--I just have to figure out how to sell it.

I've been trying to read these. So many of them are throw-across the room worthy it's depressing. I think they'd have a market if the quality was better.

I'll be sure to speak up here when I run across a good one.


Connie Neil - Feb 27, 2005 10:32:18 am PST #7079 of 10002
brillig

some of the contest judges and beta readers who've seen it so far can't see why the class difference between the hero and heroine is such a big deal

Could some of the problem be that, as Americans, class doesn't mean as much (at least consciously)? A lot of books I've seen that purport to be set in England have very thinly veiled "I'm just as good as you are" American-type attitudes on the part of the characters who are from a lower rank. A lot of people find the whole concept of class as a motivator offensive (unless, of course, their darling daughter suddenly wants to date the mechanic, but nobody admits to that). Americans are supposed to be better than that, and the market is American.


Susan W. - Feb 27, 2005 10:45:28 am PST #7080 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

That's probably all true, connie, and I know it's a delicate balance to strike. I'm definitely writing it so that the heroine's conflict isn't, "I can't marry him because he's just naturally beneath me," so much as, "If I marry him, my family will disown me, and I'll lose forever the home I've spent the last few years of my life longing for and fighting to return to. It's him or everything else--there's no way to have both."

I just hope I can make it work, because I'm so madly in love with this story that I want to share it with all the world. It goes beyond mere wanting to be read and to be an author at last instead of just a writer--I want to tell this story because it's got me by the throat. And maybe it'll work out. I've also had some strongly positive "OMG how romantic!" reactions. If I can only find an editor who feels that way....


Atropa - Feb 28, 2005 10:08:00 am PST #7081 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

t tangent

I'm currently re-reading Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman. I suddenly realized that in my head, the character of Hunter is ita.

t /tangent


JohnSweden - Feb 28, 2005 10:20:46 am PST #7082 of 10002
I can't even.

I'm currently re-reading Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman. I suddenly realized that in my head, the character of Hunter is ita.

Well, she wasn't in mine. Until now.

t watches previous headspace Hunter disappear into oblivion


Polter-Cow - Feb 28, 2005 10:35:36 am PST #7083 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Well damn. Huh.


§ ita § - Feb 28, 2005 10:57:02 am PST #7084 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Neverwhere was about at the top of my "I haven't read that yet? How come?" list. Now it's even higher. Curiosity overcomes me.

Susan! I finished Paladin Of Souls yesterday! It started slowly, but picked up even better than Curse of Chalion. I don't like how airily she wraps up, but I really liked how she played with my relationships with and reactions to the characters.


Susan W. - Feb 28, 2005 10:58:21 am PST #7085 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Glad you enjoyed it too, ita!


Atropa - Feb 28, 2005 10:59:31 am PST #7086 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Neverwhere was about at the top of my "I haven't read that yet? How come?" list. Now it's even higher. Curiosity overcomes me.

Hee! Yes, you must read it.

looks at iPod

Hey! I remembered to put the audiobook of Neverwhere on here! Good, I can listen to it on the bus home tonight.


brenda m - Feb 28, 2005 11:30:32 am PST #7087 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Curse of Chalion.

Ooh, I bought that the other day, but I haven't started it yet.

I've somehow gotten into this freakish not finishing books thing. I never do that. Suddenly now I've got at least three or four books that I've started in the past month or so, read nearly all of, and then stopped. Good books, not things that are boring the crap out of me so I might deliberately not finish them. I'm trying not to start anything new until I get the madness dealt with.