You know, geographically speaking, it's really tricky for all the cities to secede and form a new country.

Some southern ones wanted to during the Civil War. Off the top of my head Winnfield in La. They might have if the Confederacy had actually meant all that crap about states rights and self-determination.

At what point does it really become cross-dressing? I don't consider a guy in a kilt to be cross-dressing, probably because of all the cultural baggage. Does there have to be makeup? An actual attempt to pass as the opposite gender? I'm sitting here in khaki jeans, a t-shirt, and a corduroy shirt over it, with unisex-birkies on my feet. What saves this from being cross-dressing? The fact that women in this culture brought jeans into our wardrobe in the 60s? The fact that the t-shirt is bright pink or the way my breasts stick out under it?

Just throwing something out there- but maybe when it's the fact that the thing is masculine or feminine itself that is the turn on for the wearer or the oogler. Kilt=masculine!=cross dressing Tux=masculine=cross dressing.

You know, geographically speaking, it's really tricky for all the cities to secede and form a new country.

Shouldn't this be something the internets can fix?

The internets are not so good at getting the sex toys through the Texas tollboths.

Actually you can have sex toys, they just can't be called sex toys or used as sex toys. As a cake topper however, they're a-ok. So... When come back...bring cake. (and vibrators)

Actually you can have sex toys, they just can't be called sex toys or used as sex toys. As a cake topper however, they're a-ok. So... When come back...bring cake. (and vibrators)

Brings a new meaning to crumbs in the bed.

maybe when it's the fact that the thing is masculine or feminine itself that is the turn on for the wearer or the oogler.

So cross-dressing is inherently eroticized. As opposed to me throwing on a pair of overhauls and one of my dad's old t-shirts to fix the plumbing under the sink, which is just dressing for the task at hand.

OK, I could certainly see that as being at least part of it. Thanks!

So cross-dressing is inherently eroticized.

I don't think so. I have a crossdressing cousin who does it at least as part of a rejection of the feminine norm.

Of course, sometimes dressing is just eroticised. My chick clothes may give me a frisson too.

However, there are political and emotional reasons I can see for taking on the opposite gender's clothing.

Sorry, Calli, I don't know as much about cross-dressing as I do about transgender stuff, so I don't know what to recommend to you. Maybe meara will have some books for you.

I have a crossdressing cousin who does it at least as part of a rejection of the feminine norm.

Cross-dressing is a socio-political statement and/or eroticized?

I mean, some people play music because they want to make a political statement. Some people do it because they love the process of making music. Some people do it to get laid. Some people do it because music is an intrinsic part of who they are. I could imagine cross-dressing as having at least as many reasons.

I don't know as much about cross-dressing as I do about transgender stuff

Thank you anyway, Kate. I appreciate you taking the time to discuss things to see if they fell in your area of knowledge.

I could imagine cross-dressing as having at least as many reasons.

I think it's pretty sure. You're going to encounter men who just plain like the feel of wearing skirts, women who think tuxes look better on them, etc, etc -- are you looking at crossdressing as a whole, or just the erotic part?

Also, are you looking at partial crossdressing? The man in the business suit and the frilly panties? The girl in y-fronts under her skirt?