You two carried me through that war. Now I need you to carry me just a little bit further. If you can.

Tracy ,'The Message'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Trudy Booth - Aug 11, 2004 11:15:44 am PDT #5581 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Nicole Kidman cast as a Colombian woman

Oh dear, she's going to do an accent and get an Oscar, isn't she?


§ ita § - Aug 11, 2004 11:16:57 am PDT #5582 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the names of Nicole Kidman and Jude Law are already circulating

Is that just because they wrapped that other period angsty love story?

I've never read the book, but "best love story since Romeo & Juliet" isn't the kind of rec that's gonna get me in. R&J were self-centred whiners.

Also! The article spoils the book. I'd never have guessed. I am ruined.


JoeCrow - Aug 11, 2004 6:03:49 pm PDT #5583 of 10002
"what's left when you take biology and sociology out of the picture?" "An autistic hermaphodite." -Allyson

Hey, 1 to 3 mill is nothing to sneeze at. As Alan Moore said about League of Extraordinary Gentlemen , the movie didn't ruin the books, they're right there on his shelf. All the crappy movie did was lose money for the dolts who signed off on the script. If the swag keeps GGM on the go, more power to him.

Hey, anybody out there read The Darkness That Comes Before by R. Scott Bakker? I'm about halfway through it. Neat, but missing something, I'm feeling. Blurb on the back was mildly misleading, saying "No clunky analogy of medieval Europe here" from SFX Magazine. Maybe not as clunky as some, but ain't no way the Holy War is anything but a straight up rip of the Crusades, stroke for stroke. The substitution of Hindu-style mono-polytheism for Catholicism is kinda neat, but not distracting enough. The central "god-like son pursuing god-like father" trip is an interesting switch, though. He's kinda beating the umlaut into the ground, too. The wacky name thing might be more affecting if he didn't keep dropping European titles like "duke" and "earl" into the mix.

Yes, I'm a setting nazi. Probably should have mentioned that before.

World setting quibbles aside, it still feels like it's missing something, though. Not sure what, maybe when I'm finished I'll be able to see it.


Maysa - Aug 11, 2004 6:33:47 pm PDT #5584 of 10002

I've never read the book, but "best love story since Romeo & Juliet" isn't the kind of rec that's gonna get me in. R&J were self-centred whiners.

That guy is a little effusive in all the wrong places. It's nothing like Romeo and Juliet. It's romantic, but realistic. The great thing about Gabriel Garcia Marquez is that he's never angsty even when tragic things are happening.


megan walker - Aug 12, 2004 4:38:06 am PDT #5585 of 10002
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

De-lurking with a question for the literary hivemind (especially readers of historical fiction):

I'm editing an article that mentions a comment by Colin Powell about the French ambassador. "[Colin Powell said] Hubert Védrine must have gotten the "vapors," as if comparing France subliminally to a menopausal woman."

Is the “vapors” a menopause reference? I thought it could refer to a woman of any age, but I realize now I’m not sure exactly what this expression means. If it is not a menopause thing, can anyone suggest a quick fix for the sentence?

Thanks in advance as I'll be dark for the next few days.


Calli - Aug 12, 2004 4:42:32 am PDT #5586 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I was under the impression "getting the vapors" was simply getting dizzy and faint due to some unpleasantness. I think that Victorian women of the middle and upper classes were more prone to the problem due to overly tight corseting. I'm not the world's best at catching menstruation references. But why blame something on bleeding when you can blame it on fashion?


Jim - Aug 12, 2004 4:42:58 am PDT #5587 of 10002
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

The Vapours just means faintness with overtones of hysteria. Hysterical woman? Victorian woman? weak and feeble woman? neurasthenic woman?


Ginger - Aug 12, 2004 4:55:44 am PDT #5588 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

The "vapors" in the 19th century referred to unexplained weakness and sometimes a general malaise. It was usually applied to women and sometimes associated with "womb disease," which could be anything from actual female medical conditions to mental illness. It was sometimes applied to men, but usually with the implication of a female-like weakness.

As the term is used today, it would probably work to say "as if comparing France subliminally to a hysterical woman."


Trudy Booth - Aug 12, 2004 5:37:35 am PDT #5589 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Megan Walker! There you are!


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 12, 2004 10:32:27 am PDT #5590 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I was under the impression "getting the vapors" was simply getting dizzy and faint due to some unpleasantness. I think that Victorian women of the middle and upper classes were more prone to the problem due to overly tight corseting.

Hmmm, it's used differently in the South, where I've always heard it as a more polite euphemism for being flatulent. Though I imagine it would likewise be exacerbated by overly tight corseting.