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megan walker - Aug 12, 2004 4:38:06 am PDT #5585 of 10002
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

De-lurking with a question for the literary hivemind (especially readers of historical fiction):

I'm editing an article that mentions a comment by Colin Powell about the French ambassador. "[Colin Powell said] Hubert Védrine must have gotten the "vapors," as if comparing France subliminally to a menopausal woman."

Is the “vapors” a menopause reference? I thought it could refer to a woman of any age, but I realize now I’m not sure exactly what this expression means. If it is not a menopause thing, can anyone suggest a quick fix for the sentence?

Thanks in advance as I'll be dark for the next few days.


Calli - Aug 12, 2004 4:42:32 am PDT #5586 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I was under the impression "getting the vapors" was simply getting dizzy and faint due to some unpleasantness. I think that Victorian women of the middle and upper classes were more prone to the problem due to overly tight corseting. I'm not the world's best at catching menstruation references. But why blame something on bleeding when you can blame it on fashion?


Jim - Aug 12, 2004 4:42:58 am PDT #5587 of 10002
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

The Vapours just means faintness with overtones of hysteria. Hysterical woman? Victorian woman? weak and feeble woman? neurasthenic woman?


Ginger - Aug 12, 2004 4:55:44 am PDT #5588 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

The "vapors" in the 19th century referred to unexplained weakness and sometimes a general malaise. It was usually applied to women and sometimes associated with "womb disease," which could be anything from actual female medical conditions to mental illness. It was sometimes applied to men, but usually with the implication of a female-like weakness.

As the term is used today, it would probably work to say "as if comparing France subliminally to a hysterical woman."


Trudy Booth - Aug 12, 2004 5:37:35 am PDT #5589 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Megan Walker! There you are!


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 12, 2004 10:32:27 am PDT #5590 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I was under the impression "getting the vapors" was simply getting dizzy and faint due to some unpleasantness. I think that Victorian women of the middle and upper classes were more prone to the problem due to overly tight corseting.

Hmmm, it's used differently in the South, where I've always heard it as a more polite euphemism for being flatulent. Though I imagine it would likewise be exacerbated by overly tight corseting.


§ ita § - Aug 12, 2004 10:35:27 am PDT #5591 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Though I imagine it would likewise be exacerbated by overly tight corseting.

I have no practical experience, but I expect it would be harder to work up a great...vapour with the corseting on.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 12, 2004 10:47:53 am PDT #5592 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Hmmm, dunno if the extra pressure would help or hinder the process.

I'm glad that this past week I had a chance to skim a few pages from Titus Crow at the bookstore, as I'd previously thought about buying it.

This was before I hit the page that was like Melrose Place with the Cthulhu Cyle Deities cast in the principal roles, mind you. Bleargh.


billytea - Aug 12, 2004 10:49:16 am PDT #5593 of 10002
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

This was before I hit the page that was like Melrose Place with the Cthulhu Cyle Deities cast in the principal roles, mind you. Bleargh.

Hey, if it was good enough for the Greeks...


Topic!Cindy - Aug 12, 2004 11:54:49 am PDT #5594 of 10002
What is even happening?

Hmmm, it's used differently in the South, where I've always heard it as a more polite euphemism for being flatulent. Though I imagine it would likewise be exacerbated by overly tight corseting.

This is how I've always understood it, too.