Well, then, this is a day I'll feel good to be me.

Mal ,'Trash'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


erikaj - Jul 13, 2004 5:55:58 am PDT #5083 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

I would have...do I have to come up with Questions to Ponder and junk? And do they have to be classics?


Connie Neil - Jul 13, 2004 6:02:25 am PDT #5084 of 10002
brillig

I've got two recommendations. How do we start this?


brenda m - Jul 13, 2004 6:02:43 am PDT #5085 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Nope and nope.


§ ita § - Jul 13, 2004 6:03:48 am PDT #5086 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You start it when the thread is created, I'm figuring. And that'll have to wait until the naming stuff is resolved in !Kafka.


joe boucher - Jul 13, 2004 11:46:16 am PDT #5087 of 10002
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

It's a ghost town here today. I guess everyone's busy reading the second chapter of Gatsby.


Connie Neil - Jul 13, 2004 11:53:18 am PDT #5088 of 10002
brillig

We're setting up housekeeping in the new Book Club thread


Jen - Jul 13, 2004 12:15:24 pm PDT #5089 of 10002
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

I'm in a maudlin mood, and this poem made me cry. YmaudlinityMV.

"The Writer" by Richard Wilbur

In her room at the prow of the house
Where the light breaks, and the windows are tossed with linden,
My daughter is writing a story.

I pause in the stairwell, hearing
From her shut door a commotion of typewriter-keys
Like a chain hauled over a gunwale.

Young as she is, the stuff
Of her life is a great cargo, and some of it heavy:
I wish her a lucky passage.

But now it is she who pauses,
As if to reject my thought and its easy figure.
A stillness greatens, in which

The whole house seems to be thinking,
And then she is at it again with a bunched clamor
Of strokes, and again is silent.

I remember the dazed starling
Which was trapped in that very room, two years ago;
How we stole in, lifted a sash

And retreated, not to affright it;
And how for a helpless hour, through the crack of the door,
We watched the sleek, wild, dark

And iridescent creature
Batter against the brilliance, drop like a glove
To the hard floor, or the desk-top,

And wait then, humped and bloody,
For the wits to try it again; and how our spirits
Rose when, suddenly sure,

It lifted off from a chair-back,
Beating a smooth course for the right window
And clearing the sill of the world.

It is always a matter, my darling,
Of life or death, as I had forgotten. I wish
What I wished you before, but harder.

Edited to add: If the "dazed starling" is a reference to _Lolita_, this poem just got a whole lot grimmer.


Connie Neil - Jul 13, 2004 12:25:37 pm PDT #5090 of 10002
brillig

Why would it be a reference to Lolita? I suspect I'm too literal some times.


Jen - Jul 13, 2004 12:30:36 pm PDT #5091 of 10002
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

There's a poem that Humbert writes to Lolita that talks about a starling:

Wanted, wanted: Dolores Haze.
Hair: brown. Lips: scarlet.
Age: five thousand three hundred days.
Profession: none, or "starlet"

Where are you hiding, Dolores Haze?
Why are you hiding, darling?
(I talk in a daze, I walk in a maze
I cannot get out, said the starling).

Where are you riding, Dolores Haze?
What make is the magic carpet?
Is a Cream Cougar the present craze?
And where are you parked, my car pet?

Who is your hero, Dolores Haze?
Still one of those blue-capped star-men?
Oh the balmy days and the palmy bays,
And the cars, and the bars, my Carmen!

Oh Dolores, that juke-box hurts!
Are you still dancin', darlin'?
(Both in worn levis, both in torn T-shirts,
And I, in my corner, snarlin').

Happy, happy is gnarled McFate
Touring the States with a child wife,
Plowing his Molly in every State
Among the protected wild life.

My Dolly, my folly! Her eyes were vair,
And never closed when I kissed her.
Know an old perfume called Soliel Vert?
Are you from Paris, mister?

L'autre soir un air froid d'opera m'alita;
Son fele -- bien fol est qui s'y fie!
Il neige, le decor s'ecroule, Lolita!
Lolita, qu'ai-je fait de ta vie?

Dying, dying, Lolita Haze,
Of hate and remorse, I'm dying.
And again my hairy fist I raise,
And again I hear you crying.

Officer, officer, there they go--
In the rain, where that lighted store is!
And her socks are white, and I love her so,
And her name is Haze, Dolores.

Officer, officer, there they are--
Dolores Haze and her lover!
Whip out your gun and follow that car.
Now tumble out and take cover.

Wanted, wanted: Dolores Haze.
Her dream-gray gaze never flinches.
Ninety pounds is all she weighs
With a height of sixty inches.

My car is limping, Dolores Haze,
And the last long lap is the hardest,
And I shall be dumped where the weed decays,
And the rest is rust and stardust.


Connie Neil - Jul 13, 2004 12:47:39 pm PDT #5092 of 10002
brillig

My personal take on the poem about the daughter is that the starling is there to be a metaphor on finding freedom after struggle, while people watch who know they can't interfere or else make the struggle even harder.

I need to reread "Lolita." I confess I only read it decades ago because it was supposed to be naughty. I'm so low-brow.