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Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


Anne W. - May 06, 2005 9:44:58 am PDT #850 of 1424
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Somebody has started a campaign to change something that she didn't like in the movie.

Right. Because this was so effective in bringing Tara back for S7 of Buffy.


Kalshane - May 06, 2005 9:45:12 am PDT #851 of 1424
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Part of me says "Hell yes" to that, but part of me says it's Joss' story and he can do what he wants with it. But I still think it has no actual value in said story as it stands.


Frankenbuddha - May 06, 2005 9:45:35 am PDT #852 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Also, I think this

I also agree with the "tension" in the climax being too much.

may have been the reason for Wash's death. As someone (I think it was Jen) said, one death is almost expected; two is a shock and everyone's fair (or foul) game at that point.


Kalshane - May 06, 2005 9:47:01 am PDT #853 of 1424
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Right. Because this was so effective in bringing Tara back for S7 of Buffy.

But Tara's death, while random and pointless at least served a purpose in the story. Her death hurt, but I didn't feel betrayed.

Okay, I think I need to step back and take some deep breaths here because I'm getting way too worked up over a fictional character.

(ETA context)


Steph L. - May 06, 2005 9:47:09 am PDT #854 of 1424
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Heh. I was about to post the link to the campaign to change the element of the movie. THIS LINK IS 100% SPOIL-Y. Okay? You have been warned. [link]

God DAMN, I hate whiny fans who want the actual show/movie/story changed because they don't like what happened. Grow up. Make your own damn movie.


tommyrot - May 06, 2005 9:47:39 am PDT #855 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I agree that Wash's death was totally random and pointless and contributed nothing at all to the story.

I can see your point of view. OTOH, they were all in many very dangerous combat situations, so it would seem unrealistic to me to only have one crew person die.

I dunno. People don't always die all heroicly....

It was just way too much in way too short a span.

I agree. I told myself that this would be fixed in editing. We'll see.


tommyrot - May 06, 2005 9:49:55 am PDT #856 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

God DAMN, I hate whiny fans who want the actual show/movie/story changed because they don't like what happened. Grow up. Make your own damn movie.

From the link:

Joss, I think you're a creative genius. But even geniuses make bad choices sometimes,

Idiot.

OTOH, Han did shoot first.


Steph L. - May 06, 2005 9:54:38 am PDT #857 of 1424
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I mean, a person is allowed to not like whatever they want to not like. But what is it that makes someone think they have the right to demand that the creator of a given work change that work to suit their whiny ass? How does that thought process work?


Kalshane - May 06, 2005 9:56:12 am PDT #858 of 1424
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I realize that, tommyrot. Like I said, I don't have a problem with random if it serves this story in some fashion. This just feels like some random passerby on the street decided to punch me in the kidneys for the hell of it.


tommyrot - May 06, 2005 9:56:29 am PDT #859 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Also, someone sitting next to me suggested that maybe Wash died because Alan Tudyk's career was taking off and he didn't want to make more Firefly movies. Or maybe it was that Joss wanted more for River to do in future movies.