You've got my support. Just think of me as...as your... You know, I'm searching for 'supportive things' and I'm coming up all bras.

Xander ,'Empty Places'


Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


Kate P. - May 06, 2005 7:25:55 am PDT #835 of 1424
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

( continues...) were too many death scares at the end. Both Book and Wash are dead, and at that point, if anyone else had actually died, I might have just walked out of the theatre. So I couldn't really enjoy the tension of "oh my god, will Simon (or Mal, or Zoe, or River--yes, they all have death-scare moments) live?" because it would have just destroyed me. It was too wrenching to be enjoyable; I could hardly bear to watch at that point.

if I'd experienced the HSQ moments Jen describes totally unprepared, I would've deeply and profoundly lost my shit.

Yeah, this was me. (I haven't cried so hard in the theatre since Return of the King, which, granted, wasn't so long ago, but I expected it to remain a high-water mark for many years.) I think this was a lot of people. It was a very subdued audience that left the theatre, in contrast to how keyed-up and bouncy everyone had been beforehand.

But it really is a fantastic movie. The dialogue and characterization is so spot-on, and the moments of terror, comedy, tragedy, and joy are (mostly) well-balanced and beautifully done. It's necessarily unsatisfactory, I think, because there are still so many questions left unanswered (even most of the pressing questions about River aren't really answered; we know part of why she was so crazy, but we still don't know for sure why the Alliance chose her or what they were doing to her). And the pacing is so different from the TV series--again, necessarily. So there were some moments that seemed jarring to me, because I wanted more time devoted to them. But the plot was excellent: they managed to explain the origin of Reavers without making them any less horrific, which I'll admit I wasn't sure they could do, and everyone got at least a little screen time. And I liked the Operative a lot (Chiwetel Ejiofor is one of my names-to-watch-for now, having seen him in this and in Dirty Pretty Things).

Our film was a little unclear at points - almost as if they were using smaller film than standard movie film. Maybe they'll have that fixed for release.

Yeah, ours was a little grainy and unfocused in a couple of spots, but I figured it would be cleaned up for wide release. There were some parts where I figured there will be more special effects, but nothing stood out (to me) as glaringly unfinished. Can't say for sure about the soundtrack either. A lot of the music that did play was the same kind of Western-influenced music that the TV show used, which made me happy.

One disappointment: sound in space. Only in a couple of scenes, but there you have it.


Theodosia - May 06, 2005 7:34:02 am PDT #836 of 1424
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Wow... I totally missed Jen & Kate at the preview! I never did go around looking through the crowd like my friends did, because I figured nobody I knew was there except for the people I came with.

I thought the soundtrack was entirely undistinguished -- I never noticed it at all, which means it wasn't wretched in a "sore thumb sticks out" way, but it also wasn't good in the way the Christoph Beck or other Whedon productions had music. Hopefully they can work on that in the next four months.

I really do look forward to seeing it again after Joss et al have had another four months to tinker.


Fay - May 06, 2005 7:34:25 am PDT #837 of 1424
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

grits teeth. continues not to read the whitefont.

Damn.


Kate P. - May 06, 2005 7:35:39 am PDT #838 of 1424
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Theo, I didn't know you were there! Both Jen and I were fairly close to the front of the line. I did try to keep a lookout for other people I knew; sorry I missed you!


Kate P. - May 06, 2005 7:36:36 am PDT #839 of 1424
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Fay, what are you still doing in here?? I almost didn't whitefont, and then realized that you were still reading in here. Not that I mind, since whitefonting isn't a problem for me, but how can you stand NOT reading the whitefont??

edit: I'm off to lunch now, but will be dying to discuss in depth when I get back!


tommyrot - May 06, 2005 7:39:38 am PDT #840 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

even most of the pressing questions about River aren't really answered; we know part of why she was so crazy, but we still don't know for sure why the Alliance chose her or what they were doing to her

I thought we did know - she was being turned into a telepath who could also kick-ass in combat. Apparantly she was to be controlled à la The Manchurian Candidate .

And from the series we know they chose her because she was a genius - maybe being a genius makes you a better ass-kicking telepath.

I'm not sure I needed to white-font any of that....


Frankenbuddha - May 06, 2005 7:49:26 am PDT #841 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Ok, I'm simultaneously amused and squicked that Simon knows River's safe word. That's not going to quiet the hodgeberry crowd down any, is it?


tommyrot - May 06, 2005 7:54:34 am PDT #842 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Now I know what to say if someone ever tries to feed me too many hodgeberries....


Kate P. - May 06, 2005 8:35:25 am PDT #843 of 1424
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I thought we did know

Well, I mean, we didn't really learn anything new about her backstory (pre-Alliance) or her abilities from the movie. We already pretty much knew she was being trained to be an assassin of some sort, and that she had psychic abilities. But did she possess psychic abilities before the Alliance took her? What exactly did they do to her to turn her into a psychic assassin? What kind of Evil Plan was she going to be used for?


Jen - May 06, 2005 8:40:08 am PDT #844 of 1424
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

Kate, thank you so much for clarifying my plot points--I was seriously rattled by the end of the night and I knew I'd be confusing some things. (Also? *Wicked* good to see you last night!)

They went to a lot of different planets and my one gripe with the movie is that it's really, really hard to keep track of where they are and why.