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'Beneath You'


Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


Kate P. - May 06, 2005 7:35:39 am PDT #838 of 1424
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Theo, I didn't know you were there! Both Jen and I were fairly close to the front of the line. I did try to keep a lookout for other people I knew; sorry I missed you!


Kate P. - May 06, 2005 7:36:36 am PDT #839 of 1424
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Fay, what are you still doing in here?? I almost didn't whitefont, and then realized that you were still reading in here. Not that I mind, since whitefonting isn't a problem for me, but how can you stand NOT reading the whitefont??

edit: I'm off to lunch now, but will be dying to discuss in depth when I get back!


tommyrot - May 06, 2005 7:39:38 am PDT #840 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

even most of the pressing questions about River aren't really answered; we know part of why she was so crazy, but we still don't know for sure why the Alliance chose her or what they were doing to her

I thought we did know - she was being turned into a telepath who could also kick-ass in combat. Apparantly she was to be controlled à la The Manchurian Candidate .

And from the series we know they chose her because she was a genius - maybe being a genius makes you a better ass-kicking telepath.

I'm not sure I needed to white-font any of that....


Frankenbuddha - May 06, 2005 7:49:26 am PDT #841 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Ok, I'm simultaneously amused and squicked that Simon knows River's safe word. That's not going to quiet the hodgeberry crowd down any, is it?


tommyrot - May 06, 2005 7:54:34 am PDT #842 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Now I know what to say if someone ever tries to feed me too many hodgeberries....


Kate P. - May 06, 2005 8:35:25 am PDT #843 of 1424
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I thought we did know

Well, I mean, we didn't really learn anything new about her backstory (pre-Alliance) or her abilities from the movie. We already pretty much knew she was being trained to be an assassin of some sort, and that she had psychic abilities. But did she possess psychic abilities before the Alliance took her? What exactly did they do to her to turn her into a psychic assassin? What kind of Evil Plan was she going to be used for?


Jen - May 06, 2005 8:40:08 am PDT #844 of 1424
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

Kate, thank you so much for clarifying my plot points--I was seriously rattled by the end of the night and I knew I'd be confusing some things. (Also? *Wicked* good to see you last night!)

They went to a lot of different planets and my one gripe with the movie is that it's really, really hard to keep track of where they are and why.


tommyrot - May 06, 2005 8:42:33 am PDT #845 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

But did she possess psychic abilities before the Alliance took her?

I've always assumed not.

What exactly did they do to her to turn her into a psychic assassin?

Science-y stuff. They probably added some phlebotom (sp?).

What kind of Evil Plan was she going to be used for?

I'm sure a huge government (or a shadowy secret gov't/corporate organization, not necessarily acting in the government's best interests) would have lots of uses for a psychic assassin.


tommyrot - May 06, 2005 9:11:45 am PDT #846 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Oh, and wasn't it established during the series that Mal wasn't particularly good at piloting Serenity? Cuz I loved the scene where River pilots the ship - she takes to it like a fish to water. Which is cool, as they don't have to add another crew member to replace Wash.


Kate P. - May 06, 2005 9:17:21 am PDT #847 of 1424
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Jen, it was awesome to see you too!

There was definite potential for confusion regarding which planet they were on. When they landed on Book's planet the second time and everyone was dead, I was sure at first they they were still on the planet where they'd found Inara. I also found it difficult to follow some of the conversations that meandered all over the ship in the beginning, especially because the film in that section was still grainy and dark, and I couldn't always tell who was speaking. Hopefully that will be easier to follow in the final version, otherwise new viewers will be even more lost than I was.