Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.

'Serenity'


Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


Nutty - Aug 12, 2003 1:39:57 pm PDT #506 of 1424
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Can I just say, for UKers who don't know, that Jubal Early was played by a guy who spent several years on Law & Order, that most straight-laced of shows, where he played a straight-laced assistant prosecutor. He didn't really come into his own as an actor till he left L & O and got his weird on. (He was also in the short-lived G vs. E, which was, or so I thought, basically The Mod Squad as written by Saint John the Divine on amphetamines.)


Fay - Aug 12, 2003 1:48:12 pm PDT #507 of 1424
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

happy phantom, I couldn't agree more. As you'll have gathered.

Did you mean that on the shots in space you could see her in his ship, or that she was always in the b/g on Serenity

All through the scene on the Bridge, where you could see the star-scattered darkness behind Early's head and hear River's voice, whenever you could see his ship (which was most every frame with the sky in the background) there was some kind of motion going on inside it. i.e. River. Which is a fucking lovely detail.

...He didn't really come into his own as an actor till he left L & O and got his weird on

Really? 'Cause I've got to say, his weird was pretty well and truly on. Props to him.

(SO wish we knew what Early knew about Book, too...)


DCJensen - Aug 12, 2003 2:14:51 pm PDT #508 of 1424
All is well that ends in pizza.

Also that the only person's secret thoughts we didn't hear were Kaylee's.

Perhaps because they didn't want us to think Kaylee had inner demons. Or perhaps River did not think of Kaylee as having any ill will towards River. I feel that everything we saw with River were products more of her mind than psychic. She was seeing things, and the whole cargo Bay scenario was a part of her medications acting as a psychotrope.


Jon B. - Aug 13, 2003 11:04:07 am PDT #509 of 1424
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Also that the only person's secret thoughts we didn't hear were Kaylee's.

We didn't hear Zoe & Wash's either, but I think we can guess what they were thinking at that moment (which was the point).


Am-Chau Yarkona - Aug 17, 2003 10:18:49 pm PDT #510 of 1424
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

So I, one holiday, two battles with the video, and a lucky Sci-Fi repeat late, finally saw Objects in Space.

Wow. It literally took my breath away. After 'Heart of Gold', I had fears that Firefly would leave me broken, because this great concept had been wasted.

I'm still broken, but in a better way. This episode was fantastic-- let me count the ways.

1) River. She was wonderful. Creepy. Weird. Funny. Clever. Beautiful. Fucked up in a thousand different ways. I was stunned, repeatedly, by the quality of the performance-- on a second watch. The first time, I was so wrapped in the story I didn't notice the acting.

2) Early. What a wonderful villian. With a plan, and dealing with Kaylee, and... ooo. Just... good villian.

3) Wash and Zoe. Wash the skeptic, and the funny man; Zoe the calm, the open-minded, and the taker-of-bullets-out-of-poor-Simon. I love them.

4) Simon. Oh, Simon. Simon, Simon, Simon. Teaching a complete beginner surgery by talking her through taking a bullet out of your own leg, because you were all brave and attacked Early to save your sister. God, Simon. And even I, dyed-in-the-wool slasher, was cheering for you and Kaylee.

5) River-as-Serenity. When that began, I hadn't worked out that River was on Early's ship, and I had a sudden flash of a whole future for Firefly in which River and the ship really *were* melded into one being. That was great. And the way it was filmed? Eye candy. And not just any old candy. Best quality Belgian chocolate.

6) Mal, especially at the end. And at the start. And all the way through. "Glad we made that distinction." Welcoming River back aboard at the end. Oh, Mal. Wonderful captain.

7) Jayne. What more do I need to say?

8) The sequence of River walking through the ship and hearing everyone's thoughts, though they don't see her.

9) Book. Not a Shepard? WTF? I need to know more about Book. Now.

10) The FX. The whole look of the show. It's beautiful-- River in the leaves. Her dancer's pose as she listens to the conversation a floor above her.

11) Summer Glau.

Wrod to the 'I just want to hug the show'. That's just how I feel, too.

12) Simon without a shirt. Although with this danger overtone, because of what Jubal had just said to Kaylee.

13) The dinosaurs are still on Wash's piloting desk.

14) Everyone and everything. Mal, Inara, Wash and Zoe, River, Simon, Kaylee, Jayne, Book. The sets, the stories, the sounds. I love them all. I'm still in love with this show. I can't quite believe it's all over.

I believe in movies.


Allyson - Aug 18, 2003 8:33:52 am PDT #511 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Book. Not a Shepard? WTF? I need to know more about Book. Now.

does happy IN YOUR FACE dance of insider knowledge

I know whether Book is a good guy or a bad guy, and I AM SO NOT TELLING!

Because there will be a goddamned movie, or a comic, or some fucking thing that will tell us all his story. Or I'm going to lose my shit.


UTTAD - Aug 18, 2003 9:23:12 am PDT #512 of 1424
Strawberry disappointment.

So at a con Joss was asked what was going to happen in S2 of Firefly.

"Reavers," he said. le sigh.


Allyson - Aug 18, 2003 9:27:38 am PDT #513 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think he was talking about the movie, UTTAD.


UTTAD - Aug 18, 2003 9:29:57 am PDT #514 of 1424
Strawberry disappointment.

Hmm, well just saying what it said in SFX magazine, but Reavers + Movie = Hud me back!


lori - Aug 18, 2003 9:30:50 am PDT #515 of 1424

I know whether Book is a good guy or a bad guy, and I AM SO NOT TELLING!

Taunter McTauntypants.