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'Underneath'


Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


DCJensen - Aug 11, 2003 7:58:30 pm PDT #496 of 1424
All is well that ends in pizza.

I remember ST:TNG's variation on that. The genetic material of a killed shipworker infused into the bulkhead.


Daisy Jane - Aug 11, 2003 7:59:58 pm PDT #497 of 1424
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Rosanne had a worker sealed in a bridge.


Beverly - Aug 11, 2003 9:46:17 pm PDT #498 of 1424
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Fay, you put eloquently into words what I've felt but been largely unable to articulate. At least, not adequately. I don't think I ever loved a show so quickly, so completely: words, actors, sets, effects, music, and the sort of cohesion that happens rarely, the greater-than-sum-of-parts one takes the rumors of with a grain of salt, except when the result is up on the screen, or on the posting boards. I fell instantly for Firefly and never stopped wanting more!, only kept loving it deeper and wider, and am still bereft at its loss.

Cancellation was a shame. But I'm glad I got to see it. I'm glad I helped to try and keep it on the air. TV history was made--nobody's ready to admit it yet. But I think Firefly will be a benchmark, when economics roll back around to scripted shows, when the public is glutted with Survival of the Racing Bachelors clones and ready for crafted stories again.


UTTAD - Aug 12, 2003 12:58:25 am PDT #499 of 1424
Strawberry disappointment.

I downloaded the version of OiS that was shown in Murrica, but I didn't see any differences in the one shown last night here. I should really check the Murrican version again, not that that'll be a hardship or anything.

I loved to little tiny bits the scene with River and Mal at the end. I'm distraught to the amount of ten that this show is gone.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 12, 2003 4:05:22 am PDT #500 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Weren't the changes supposed to address why Inara was still around after Heart of Gold? Also, slumber nut.


UTTAD - Aug 12, 2003 4:07:46 am PDT #501 of 1424
Strawberry disappointment.

I can't remember anything like that, anything different from the first one. I'll look again tonight.


Fay - Aug 12, 2003 4:49:30 am PDT #502 of 1424
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Weren't the changes supposed to address why Inara was still around after Heart of Gold?

We didn't really get anything on that, beyond a vague "I'll be going soon, I really will, I don't know why I'm here" kind of thing, accompanying a Meaningful Glance.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 12, 2003 4:52:53 am PDT #503 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

That may have been what was cut out then. I don't remember any hints of Inara leaving from my viewing of OiS, but I've only seen it once (part of me can't bear the thought of seeing it again as the last episode, since in the US it was followed up with the two-hour Serenity pilot). I've got War Stories and that waiting for a screening - I don't think I'll be able to hold out until the DVDs.


Kathy A - Aug 12, 2003 10:11:04 am PDT #504 of 1424
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Well, Inara did say, "I don't know why I'm still here" when River was on walkabout, with the unheard words River heard being "I'm a big girl--you can tell me," while Mal thought "None of it means a damn thing." This leads me to think that Inara was thinking that Mal felt nothing for her, while he thought that she would do anything for her career, and nothing he would say would have any affect on her decision.


happy phantom - Aug 12, 2003 1:13:38 pm PDT #505 of 1424
I'm old school. Like Happy Shopper.

Okay, so I foolishly made plans to catch up with an old friend last night, which meant taping Firefly. I swear to goodness, I was like a parent leaving their child with a babysitter for the first time m- I kept running to the bathroom so I could phone my mother to make sure she was recording!

However, I have now watched the episode, and had a little "I can't believe it's over" cry, and have to echo strongly what has already been said, that was truly an amazing episode to go out on. I loved the focus on River, I've adored River from the beginning, and on several previous occasions during the series run Summer Glau's performance has just made me burst into either tears or laughter becuase of it's beauty. In this episode she was just incrediable. I loved early on when she was walking through Serenity, and running her hands along the wall, and she tried to catch a shaft of light. It was just a little, incidental touch, but it seemed so perfectly River.

I too guessed she was on Early's ship, though I didn't notice the background thing. Did you mean that on the shots in space you could see her in his ship, or that she was always in the b/g on Serenity, cause now I'm going to have to go back and rewatch (oh no, the horror!)

I thought it was interesting when River was doing her wandering at the beginning that everyone just carried on talking right around her, like they didn't notice her, at least until she started playing with guns. Also that the only person's secret thoughts we didn't hear were Kaylee's. I haven't decided if that has any significance, but still...

I'm also finally completely getting the Simon thing. Don't get me wrong I've always liked him as a character, but the moment where, despite being shot in the leg, he still threw himself down those stairs at Early, I was just punching the air in delight. That was his moment, he didn't win, but he wasn't going to stop fighting, and it was so impressive. Interesting that River didn't know he would do that. So now we know that she's not completely psychic, she didn't predict that, and you'd have thought that if she knew anyone's mind it would be Simon's.

Also loved the end, the easy camraderie returning to the crew. In particular Kaylee finally feeling settled around River again, that was a nice touch.

It's such a shame that there won't be more, there were several points during the epsiode that I had to quietly repeat to myself "there will be a movie, there will" just so I could keep watching without getting too emotional. I've adored this show, and I'm going to miss it soooo much. Can't wait for the DVD's now though!