River: I know you have questions. Mal: That would be why I just asked them.

'Objects In Space'


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Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


Jon B. - Aug 11, 2003 11:52:46 am PDT #480 of 1424
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

although it did take up a lot of room.

It was a conscious decision for us to not have the header on every page for precisely that reason.


DXMachina - Aug 11, 2003 11:59:19 am PDT #481 of 1424
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I know that, although they don't really take up as much room here as they did there.

There's really only a couple of threads where it would actually be worthwhile to have it.


Fay - Aug 11, 2003 12:14:51 pm PDT #482 of 1424
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Feeling unexpectedly peaceful.

Now that was so much better than Heart of Gold that it could be a different show. Worlds removed. If that's the note it has to go out on, it's a bloody good note. I do hope we get more, but that's a beautiful way to wrap things up, if wrapped up they must be.

Gorgeous cinematography. Really lovely - the visuals were breathtaking, and the shifting through the layers of the ship was wonderfully effective and resonant.

The scene with Jubal threatening Kaylee in the Engine Room was thoroughly chilling, not least because of the writing, with its headfucking existential/ghostly/Santa stuff tying in with the fact that there was all this talk of mind reading - and that was a cracking piece of work from Jewel. Really good stuff. Absolute hats off to her.

I guessed that River was in Early's ship, and part of the reason I guessed was because you could see her in the background the whole time, if you were looking. Oh blessed FX people. Wonderful detail, to have this little blur of movement in the background during the scenes which were focussing on Jubal's face.

I think I may need to think on all this at greater length. Right now, unfortunately, I'm going to need to go and do some more stuff, so this isn't as lengthy as it should be, but I need to get in with my first thoughts.

Simon/Kaylee. I'm so disarmed by that -- and wasn't my boy just adorable? Oh, Simon's my favourite, he really is, for all that it's only by a whisker. Just loved every damn thing about Simon, not least his attack on Early. (Pyjama bottom-clad Simon was a lovely bonus, of course.)

What really poured off this episode was the sense of family. It was lovely watching them pull together at River's instructions -- I was reminded of War Stories, but in some ways better, even, because it was messier and thus more real-feeling. I loved the fact that River didn't speak to Jayne -- entirely plausible, and unsappy. Loved Mal to PIECES, especially outside the ship. That was just gorgeous. That was like -- I'm all tearful, actually, because I want to hug the show. I love the way that Book and Jayne have built up an unsentimental rapport, and the banter at the end. I'm still perfectly fond of Inara and Mal, and not irritated by their dynamic.

This was beautiful. Compared to this, Heart of Gold really not looking so good, I must confess -- but by God, they had some fucking good television in the scant 13 episodes. They really really did. This is work to be proud of for all concerned, down to the tiniest details. The acting, the set design, the writing, the sound design (I bloody love the range of incidental music), the FX, the costumes, the direction itself -- the story telling.

They done good.


DXMachina - Aug 11, 2003 12:20:07 pm PDT #483 of 1424
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

This was beautiful. Compared to this, Heart of Gold really not looking so good, I must confess -- but by God, they had some fucking good television in the scant 13 episodes.

Yup. One of my biggest problems with HoG is that *it's* the last new one I'll ever see. Out with a whimper, not a bang.

I liked OiS a lot. Need to rewatch it.


DCJensen - Aug 11, 2003 12:22:15 pm PDT #484 of 1424
All is well that ends in pizza.

"That ain't a Shepherd."

Even unconscious, Book manages to add to his mysterious past.


Jars - Aug 11, 2003 12:30:00 pm PDT #485 of 1424

What Fay said about the cinematography. The overhead shot of River picking up the branch surrounded by leaves was just breathtaking. And I love the way the FX shots cutting through the ship were so well-used, they weren't just a visual gimmick.

Summer Glau was just fabulous in this too. Aw, so was everyone. I'm having trouble concentrating on just Objects in Space. I feel like I should be thinking about the series as a whole. Or not, as it were.

Like Fay, I want to hug the show. I want to hug the show, sit it down and make it a cup of tea, and tell it how much I appreciate it. And then I want to jump up and down on the Fox execs' big fat heads until I feel better. It might take a while.


UTTAD - Aug 11, 2003 1:04:00 pm PDT #486 of 1424
Strawberry disappointment.

I loved, beyond the telling of it, the part where River is standing in leaves in the hold holding the stick then BANG big fucking gun! It was such a fantastic jump, like Anya pinned to the wall in Selfless.

The poignancy of the last shot we ever get to see of Serenity as it sailing off into the black fair had me welling up in a manly way.

And as Fay says, hats off to Jewel for the being scared in the engine room. And also loved the "Are you Alliance?", "A lion?" scene, it was not funny and added to the off kilterness that was Juble.


Jars - Aug 11, 2003 1:15:48 pm PDT #487 of 1424

Oh, yes, Jubal scared the living bejeesus out of me. "Have you ever been raped?" That's was just plain creepy.

The Kaylee and Simon scenes were adorable. Not as adorable as the Simon and his lack-of-shirt scenes though.

This I love -- "My sister is a ship. We had a complicated childhood." Heh. Ooh! And "He takes a lot of looking after." The scene with Mal and River on the outside of the ship was just brimming with lovely.


Fay - Aug 11, 2003 1:55:46 pm PDT #488 of 1424
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

And also loved the "Are you Alliance?", "A lion?" scene, it was not funny and added to the off kilterness that was Juble.

Wasn't that bemusing? And the "You're a bounty hunter." "No. I'm a bounty hunter" (I'm paraphrasing, forgive me.) Mr Early was one scary piece of work, and no mistake.

"My sister is a ship. We had a complicated childhood." Heh. Ooh! And "He takes a lot of looking after." The scene with Mal and River on the outside of the ship was just brimming with lovely

YES. Oh, damn, yes. I loved those bits. I so love the Tams. Simon's just -- dude, he's like Sam Gamgee-level devoted. I mean, just breaks your heart. As does Kaylee, though -- really, Jewel was so wonderfully, unsappily yearning, bless her, with the whole trying-to-get-him-to-say-he-likes-her.

I fear I haven't said enough good things about Summer. She's fabulous. Her performance throughout the series has been top-notch -- she wasn't often the focus, but she was always giving 100% and her acting was fabulously physical and sincere -- I mean, she broke my heart at times, she really did, but she could also be thoroughly eerie. It was a very well judged performance, one that felt entirely unforced. She knocked my socks off.

It's heart breaking that the show was cancelled, and that Fox failed to promote it as it should have been promoted, but it really is exceptionally good work and the quality speaks for itself. I feel inappropriately proud and possessive of the show -- kind of tender, if you see what I mean? Because it's a beautiful thing, it really is. And so little television is startling, or challenging, or beautiful. I'm not saying it was flawless, because the quality of Objects in Space throws the pedestrian-ness of Heart of Gold into sharp relief, but overall Firefly is really a hell of an acheivement. If it were mine, I'd be painfully proud of it. Hell, I already am, and it's nothing to do with me.


Kathy A - Aug 11, 2003 3:07:52 pm PDT #489 of 1424
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I loved Simon's line, "I have a hard time keeping track of her even when she's not incorporeally possessing a spaceship."

That, and "Yes, he's very...gentle. And fuzzy. We're becoming fast friends!"