Wesley: We're going to bring Angelus in alive. Connor: No we're not. Gunn: I thought you said capturing him wasn't an option. Wesley: Changed my mind. Connor: Change it back.

'Why We Fight'


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Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


DCJensen - Aug 05, 2003 9:45:44 am PDT #390 of 1424
All is well that ends in pizza.

For that matter, is there a logical reason why a religious person could not have sex no-strings? Knowing as little as we do of Book's religion (except that it's vaguely Christian)?

No reason at all, except that over the previous 13 or so episodes he has *not* been presented as being an openly sexual being.


Kathy A - Aug 05, 2003 9:55:51 am PDT #391 of 1424
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Book specifically says (whitefonted for Objects in Space stuff) that his order didn't allow for sex, which means for me that other denominations/orders might (similar to the current different denominations of Christianity's rulings on their clergy's sex lives) .


lori - Aug 05, 2003 9:57:23 am PDT #392 of 1424

For that matter, is there a logical reason why a religious person could not have sex no-strings? Knowing as little as we do of Book's religion (except that it's vaguely Christian)?

From Objects in Space:

BOOK
 Well, no. 

JAYNE Not ever never?

BOOK Some orders allow Shepherds to marry, but I follow a narrower path.

JAYNE But, I mean, you still got the urge. They don't... cut it off, or nothin'?

BOOK Mm, no, I'm more or less intact. I just...

BOOK sits down at the kitchen table. RIVER quietly enters the kitchen area.

BOOK (cont'd) ...direct my energy elsewhere.

JAYNE You mean like masturbating?

BOOK I hope you're not thinking of taking orders yourself.


Nutty - Aug 05, 2003 10:07:43 am PDT #393 of 1424
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Huh -- I'd forgotten that part. Thanks for the correction.


Micole - Aug 05, 2003 11:51:55 am PDT #394 of 1424
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

Well, they could have had Inara/Nandi instead of Mal/Nandi. Two old friends getting together to talk about how things have changed--and Nandi trying to find out why Inara left, and Inara dancing around the subject--might have told us a lot more about Companions, and Inara's view of the role and herself, without hitting the cliche of Man Goes to Save Whorehouse, Gets Laid by Grateful Whore.

Nandi: (quiet, in the afterglow) I knew he was stuck on you, Inara. I didn't know it went both ways. (pause) I'm sorry.

Inara: (rolling over; view of her back) [whatsherpregnantname] needs help. (starts dressing)

--only, you know, with decent dialogue.


Fay - Aug 05, 2003 11:54:59 am PDT #395 of 1424
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Actually, that would have been splendid.

But I honestly think that more TV shows would have gone for Mal stoically resisting temptation and not getting laid, because he's harbouring feelings for Inara. I'd have been far more irritated and incredulous if he'd not had The Sex.


Vonnie K - Aug 05, 2003 12:09:47 pm PDT #396 of 1424
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I'm still stuck on the core/rim dichotomy in attitudes toward the companions. Wasn't whatever planet featured in Train Job on the rim? (All I recall is that it was dirt-poor and people were dying for the lack of medicine--sounds rim-y.) And didn't Inara kind of waltzed in and saved Mal and Zoe because she, as a companion, commanded respect?

I think the *idea* of having a class of well-educated prostitutes be considered respectable was an interesting one. I just wish the writers were consistent about it. Why not have them be respectable everywhere? I mean, if this is for the sake of keeping up Mal/Inara UST, they could have other, more interesting reason to keep them apart. Inara was pro-Alliance in the war, and Mal doesn't strike me as someone who would lightly regard ideological differences. They could have played with the class distinction angle, with Inara in a much loftier position than Mal in the social echelon. Anything but the whole "because you are a whore" thing, which just 1) makes nonsense of the entire premise about companionship, and 2) renders itself susceptible to annoying stereotyping.


thessaly - Aug 05, 2003 3:25:59 pm PDT #397 of 1424
"...and that calls for some hard-hitting, potentially violent SCIENCE!"

Anyone want to deconstruct the gender issues surrounding the fact that when Mal gets some from Nandi and not Inara, his insinuated-by-plot soulmate, Nandi dies?


Griffyn - Aug 05, 2003 6:15:01 pm PDT #398 of 1424
A person's concepts should exceed their vocabulary, or what's a metaphor?

Don't forget to also deconstruct the fact that in essence Inara causes her death. That's got to mean something too.


thessaly - Aug 05, 2003 7:00:36 pm PDT #399 of 1424
"...and that calls for some hard-hitting, potentially violent SCIENCE!"

Don't forget to also deconstruct the fact that in essence Inara causes her death. That's got to mean something too.

CATFIGHT!

*ahem*

I mean: Casual Sex Is Bad and It's All the Woman's Fault. 'Cause men, y'know, just incapable of participating in decisionmaking with regards to The Sex, but Women should Know Better and Get Punished.

I'm thinking of bringing back the random capitalization of Important Concepts all on my own.

Nutty said most of what I thought better than I could already. I'd love to see an ME show that addressed more subtle forms of cultural gender bias that occur in otherwise egalitarian spaces, like My Breasts Don't Have Radar That Locates Office Supplies, Fucko. Maybe someone will ask Fred from Angel to fax something and she can behead them with an ingenious device. :)

In general, I love the way the show subverts stereotype with the Wash/Zoe & Zoe/Mal dynamics & GettingSome!Kaylee, though, so I'm willing to cut a little slack. Hooray for Hot Married Sex & non-UST M/F friends!