Um. I didn't hate the character. But we know that already.
My whole life, I've never loved anything else.
Oz ,'Him'
Firefly Spoilers
Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.
Fay - Jul 15, 2003 3:03:06 pm PDT #226 of 1424
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Beverly - Jul 15, 2003 3:06:01 pm PDT #227 of 1424
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
I was going to repost your eval of the unaired three a bit upthread, DX, and just nod. You pegged my opinions pretty well. I do agree on HoG as the worst of the whole series, for the reasons you listed. I liked Trash, primarily for the dialogue, and I loved The Message for the Jayne character expansion and the casting spoiler love.
Kalshane - Jul 15, 2003 3:47:57 pm PDT #228 of 1424
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
My problem with the "Objects in Space" is the last episode concept is that in "The Message" Jayne refers to River as a "mind-reading genius", something he wouldn't have done before the conversation in OiS. Also, in "Trash" Simon takes River's inutuition as fact, even going so far as to confront Jayne based on it. Also, River's "threat" to Jayne isn't very convincing if her abilities haven't already been discussed by the crew.
DCJensen - Jul 16, 2003 3:38:56 am PDT #229 of 1424
All is well that ends in pizza.
I assumed that Simon spoke to River more in depth after the scene where she said what she said, and before the injury later in the ep.
Plus? River's been a threat since she stabbed jayne in "Aiel"
As for the whitefonting... I assumed the most reasonable assumption that they somehow overrode the codes and broke in. Leaving it ungaurded? not so smart. However, they seemed to be counting on the ambush, somewhat. Sort of playing into the hands. I'll have to re-watch.
That having been said, I enjoyed the eps, and I look forward to the discussion next week and what are we going to do about that in the main firefly thread?
Nutty - Jul 16, 2003 6:48:23 am PDT #230 of 1424
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Like The Message, due to You-Know-Who-Not-Voldemort, was okay on Trash, loathed Heart of Gold. HOG was the one that was a clue that I might have had a screaming argument with the show, the way I had with Angel in S3, and never regain my initial enjoyment of it. It made me doubtful of the good intentions of the creators, which is a feeling I hate to have.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 16, 2003 8:58:59 am PDT #231 of 1424
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Glad to see I wasn't alone in my opinion of the HoG storyline (I've only read, not watched).
DXMachina - Jul 16, 2003 9:13:14 am PDT #232 of 1424
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Nope, not alone. It sucked in many and sundry ways.
Allyson - Jul 16, 2003 9:13:37 am PDT #233 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I think HoG was the first ever script by Joss' former asst., Brett. I sort of expect it to be a bit on the green side, which I suspect will help in my viewing of it. Does it help the perception at all by saying, "ah, new guy fresh from the stork's beak"?
CaBil - Jul 16, 2003 9:18:30 am PDT #234 of 1424
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
Allyson, just emailed you...
Rayne - Jul 16, 2003 9:45:08 am PDT #235 of 1424
"Oh no! Has falling sky liquid once again caused you the sadness?" -Starfire
HOG is easily my least favorite of all the episodes (including the aired ones.) I thought maybe it was because I read the script before I watched it, but I don't think that's the case.
Trash was "eh" (I've never been a Saffron fan), and The Message was the best of the three unaired, but it felt like it could have been so much better.