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Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


Gandalfe - Sep 05, 2005 12:30:33 pm PDT #1207 of 1424
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

My fanwank for the deception (since we saw Simon being so bad at it in Jaynestown but so good at it in Ariel) is that a) the people he funded coached him on how to behave and b) Simon is much more comfortable in an academic or medical facility than in mudpits.

Plus, the deception in Jaynestown was sprung on him, and was not his idea whatsoever.


Nutty - Sep 06, 2005 4:47:12 pm PDT #1208 of 1424
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Am I wrong, or is it understood that Simon does not know what is in the box until it is opened? That was always my impression.

If he is only crossing his fingers that Big Scary Box contains his sister, then he cannot have seen her into it in the first place. If he is the one who put her into it, then his only point of dreadful uncertainty should be whether or not she is still alive in it. (Or, I suppose, in a Marx Brothers world, whether his Big Scary Box was switched with that of someone smuggling crawdads in bulk.)


Kalshane - Sep 06, 2005 5:06:56 pm PDT #1209 of 1424
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I never had that impression, Nutty. While I have issues with him putting on the ruse and effecting River's escape himself, I can't see him giving people money to rescue his sister and then leaving it on faith that they big box they gave him had her inside. Plus, nothing in his demeanor suggests to me he has any doubts about the box's content.


Michele T. - Sep 06, 2005 5:27:33 pm PDT #1210 of 1424
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

It was pretty clear to me that Simon knew River was in the box.

And, to be fair to Serenity's version of the rescue, his unwillingness to defrost her could be read as him knowing how badly she'd been messed with, which it's hard to think he'd believe if he hadn't seen it in person.


Gandalfe - Sep 06, 2005 8:50:29 pm PDT #1211 of 1424
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Plus, there may be medical reasons not to refreeze someone for a certain period of time after they thaw out, or that the box was a one time use thing. And, of course, it's easier to travel with a big box than a crazy, psychic, ninja-groove trained assasin. Which, yes, could have been explained with a throwaway line, but, hey, what's the fun of that?


Mr. Broom - Sep 06, 2005 9:19:15 pm PDT #1212 of 1424
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Leave it to Buffistas to show that there is no paucity of ways to explain the use of the box after the escape without it appearing forced into the story. God bless us, ev'ry one. To add mine to the pile: in addition to keeping the amount of attention-getting craziness to a minimum during the escape, she certainly needed time during which her mind was not getting very much stimulation. A good way to staunch the wound, as it were.


Kiba Rika - Sep 07, 2005 12:00:52 am PDT #1213 of 1424
I may have to seize the cat.

I got the sense from the episode Serenity that he knew it was her, he was anxious about the effect defrosting her too early would have, and he was terrified he'd be turned in.

The thing I'm wondering about is - when he was gonna go down to "check" on his "personal effects" - what was the deal there? Did the box have a vital signs readout or something? Because he obviously wasn't going to unfreeze her and take her to his room (cuz, um, they'd probably notice the new passenger).


Jars - Sep 07, 2005 12:06:53 am PDT #1214 of 1424

I assumed that he had to keep checking on some kind of read out on the cryo-unit. And that unfreezing her early wasn't a good idea.


Anne W. - Sep 07, 2005 2:40:10 am PDT #1215 of 1424
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

when he was gonna go down to "check" on his "personal effects" - what was the deal there?

Plus, I think that after what had happened, he wanted to be close to his sister, even if she wasn't aware he was there.


Mr. Broom - Sep 07, 2005 5:33:14 am PDT #1216 of 1424
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Exactly. The person who means the most to you in this entire 'verse is in a box in the cargo bay, you'd most likely find it hard to stay away, cover or no cover. Notice how intently he looks at the box during the Dobson is Clumsy sequence; I don't see him checking readouts. I see him staring at all he has in the world, and staring at it exactly like you would stare at the only thing you have in the world.