Seeing as how I know I've heard Spike much later refer to Angel as his grandsire, it's definitely a continuity error. I can recommend several voluntary rehabilitation programs to anyone who needs to come to terms with this.
I don't care if it is an orgy of death, there's still such a thing as a napkin.
Willow ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'
Firefly Spoilers
Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.
Mr. Broom - Jul 11, 2005 8:41:06 am PDT #1157 of 1424
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor
Frankenbuddha - Jul 11, 2005 8:42:19 am PDT #1158 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Continuity is for wimps.
Or is that context? I disremember.
Kiba Rika - Jul 11, 2005 7:40:55 pm PDT #1159 of 1424
I may have to seize the cat.
I really think it's sexy when people pay attention to continuity. It might actually turn me on, really. Like, really.
That said, I'm not selling the jossisahottie domain any time soon, just because the man completely overlooks backstories he himself made up.
KernelM - Jul 14, 2005 3:02:08 pm PDT #1160 of 1424
Ankh-Morpork Watchman, Dreamer, Scooby, Minister of Grace, Still Flyin' in a Zoo2 World
Ok, this is from the movie, so I'm talking about it here: On Sci Fi's Firefly page, they give the Shepherd's name as Derrial Book. In the three pre-screenings I went to (first two times in Chicago, third time in Charlotte), I remember it being Meria Book (which pleasantly surprised me by confirming what IMDB had listed a while earlier). Somebody on Whedonesque says they saw Derrial all three times in Denver.
Can others who remember confirm either way? Firefly character names are a huge pet peeve for me. (It's not Jerry Lee. It's not Warren. And we still don't know anything about Zoe's full name. Damnit.)
Kalshane - Jul 14, 2005 3:43:40 pm PDT #1161 of 1424
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
It was Meria the two times I went.
HiddenSky - Jul 15, 2005 1:25:05 pm PDT #1162 of 1424
"There are two sorts of people in the world: those who believe Joss Whedon is a genius and those who are wrong." - Connie Ogle, Miami Herald
I'm pretty certain I saw Derrial in Philly both times.
tianxiaode - Jul 15, 2005 4:19:53 pm PDT #1163 of 1424
Adrian Pasdar: bringing hot (and ambiguously gay) to a new level since Top Gun.
Meria each time for me. Atlanta & Charlotte.
sumi - Jul 18, 2005 11:04:52 am PDT #1164 of 1424
Art Crawl!!!
Oops. . . that was meant for elsewhere.
Tamara - Jul 18, 2005 2:12:55 pm PDT #1165 of 1424
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.
It looked like Deria to me last Saturday Night at the ComicCon screening.
Kalshane - Jul 26, 2005 5:30:45 am PDT #1166 of 1424
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
So, I'm thinking about the "retcon" and wondering if maybe we're going to have a reveal in the Serenity comic book that explains it.
Based on what we see in the movie: Simon getting River out and his competence in doing so as well Simon knowing exactly what was done to River, including a safety word to stop her.
Versus the TV series: Simon says he paid a group to smuggle her out in cryo. Simon claims to have no knowledge of what was done to River and denies any suspicions of her being psychic. Simon's "Master of Disguise" bit on Canton.
The only way these two add up is if Simon were lying to the crew of Serenity from the beginning and playing up his incompetence. Which would make sense from his standpoint. He's an intelligent man surrounded by smugglers and thieves, keeping them in the dark as much as possible as well as making them underestimate him in case things go wrong.
At some point in comic, Mal finds out Simon's been "playing" them from day one and understandibly doesn't take it well. This would certainly explain the antagonism between them in the movie versus Mal's "You're on my crew." and nearly spacing Jayne for betraying him and them during the series.
Granted, this is still a complete and utter retcon, and I don't like that at all, but at least it makes some degree of sense.