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'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.


DavidS - Oct 02, 2003 1:56:21 pm PDT #894 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm back to the part where, how can something be of the zeitgeist if it's not available widely? Or do you mean zeitgeist only for particular cities, or regions? (This works a lot better in France, where everyone looks to Paris as their cultural cluster.)

My general thinking is that an item cannot practically qualify for "zeitgeist" unless it is already inextricably bound into the system of cultural production.

I was talking about two things. One was the real riot grrrl movement, which was underground and not widely dispersed in the mass media. Second, there was a widespread distortion of riot grrrll promulgated in magazines like Sassy, and big media groups like the Spice Girls co-opting the stances and phrases (notably, "Girl Power") from the movement.

So, the best parallel I can make would be between the small number of bohemian, underground, genuine Beats of the 50s, and the cartoony Beatniks which became a big part of the cultural iconography of the 50s. Riot Girl was a part of the zeitgeist, but only in a cartoony and distorted form. But it was a big influence on people who were attuned to the underground (like cyberpunk writers such as Gibson and Stephenson), but worked in mass media.


P.M. Marc - Oct 02, 2003 2:15:40 pm PDT #895 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Second, there was a widespread distortion of riot grrrll promulgated in magazines like Sassy, and big media groups like the Spice Girls co-opting the stances and phrases (notably, "Girl Power") from the movement.

And, frankly, the Power Puff Girls.


DavidS - Oct 02, 2003 2:23:48 pm PDT #896 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And, frankly, the Power Puff Girls.

Definitely.


DavidS - Oct 02, 2003 2:29:29 pm PDT #897 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Actually, the more I watched it, the more I realized how reactionary PPG is. If Bitch or Bust were really keeping score they'd note: heroes equal white suburban girls; grown women who are allegedly very smart are presented as headless bodies (Ms. Bellum); No mommies needed; villains are flamingly gay (Him); villains talk like Toshiro Mifune - hence, read Asian (Mojo Jojo), villains talk like black pimps (Disco villain); the girls defeat the Rowdy Ruff Boys by flirting with them after the boys beat them in a fight. There's even a feminist villain who is actively mocked because she talks the girls into fighting against the oppression of the Men. She exploits the girls with this rhetoric which is presented as false.


P.M. Marc - Oct 02, 2003 3:15:56 pm PDT #898 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Hec, I sense a book...


Consuela - Oct 02, 2003 3:16:58 pm PDT #899 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

t starts chanting Book! Book! Book!


DavidS - Oct 02, 2003 3:48:09 pm PDT #900 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Nah, I just had to watch so many of them I couldn't help noticing that good = white and suburban in that 'verse, and bad = exotic, alien, other.

But somebody should drop a line to Bust or Bitch. 'Cuz PPG has been getting a free ride on their girls-with-powers plus cuteness.


Consuela - Oct 02, 2003 3:48:59 pm PDT #901 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'd never thought PPG was particularly subversive, just from the little I'd seen. Funny, sure. Subversive? NSM. t shrugs


Mogget - Oct 02, 2003 6:07:58 pm PDT #902 of 10000

So, was I the only one singing the Cal Worthington song upon hearing Clark's alias? Go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal!


Cass - Oct 02, 2003 6:29:44 pm PDT #903 of 10000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

So, was I the only one singing the Cal Worthington song upon hearing Clark's alias? Go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal!
You aren't now . Hurrumphh!