It might explain some things if she had...

My mother explains everything, though she'd like to deny it.

Now I'm gettin' the jones to rewatch my SN DVDs for, like, the fourth time in a row.

Been rewatching the Sam eps. Love Sam. Had to watch The Cut Man Cometh just for Danny angst. And the fact that the Cut Man cracks me up.

Skipping right over any scenes that deal with the Dating Plan.

You speak true of Sam. I didn't know until I'd seen half the eps or so that Bill Macy and Felicity Huffman are married.

Also wordity word on the Dating Plan

Anyway, I can see Abyss-Daniel as an extension of real traits he's always had, and showed more and more as the series went on. He always thinks he knows best. It's not unusual for him to choose abstract over personalized morality - look at Scorched Earth, where he's willing to advance the argument that maybe the folks on the ground should be left to die because the germ cells in the sky are the last of their kind, and gee, they're awfully *advanced*, aren't they?

It's really interesting cause I saw the thing with Scorched Earth as Jack tending to be pretty humanocentric, favouring the right to live for guys who look like him. And the protectiveness thing of course, the people on the ground were people he was responsible for.

You've made me think. My profound loathing of Abyss is much more a thing with regard to TV in general, I just get so tired of every super-powerful group or individual that can remotely be considered good, being all Prime Directivey, even when there are superpowerful bad guys intervening for all their worth. There are a ton of interesting things you can do with the super-powerful not evil or ambigiuos characters and every TV show seems to do the exact same thing.

But then Stargate actually has a pretty clear explanation of why these guys are freaked about intervening, so I could be being a little unfair.

Oooh. I saw Abyss at the start of my interest in SG1, and therefore understood nothing. I think it's on next week on local syndication.

I'm way curious now.

It's really interesting cause I saw the thing with Scorched Earth as Jack tending to be pretty humanocentric, favouring the right to live for guys who look like him. And the protectiveness thing of course, the people on the ground were people he was responsible for.

Oh, sure. (There's a story called "Meeting of Minds" out there - I don't know if you read fanfic - that brings back the Gadmeer, and spends some time talking about that kind of we-like-mammals-best issue.) On the other hand, you know, they don't really exist anymore - they're little cells, not actual, living beings. So I tend to come down on Jack's side there.

There are a ton of interesting things you can do with the super-powerful not evil or ambigiuos characters

No, I get the frustration. On the other hand, you can't really tell interesting stories when you've got a real deus to appear ex machina at the end of every episode, so I tend to chalk that one up to storytelling necessity. (Kind of like the "Buffy cannot reveal her secret identity!" issue we've been discussing in the Buffy topic.)

I'm way curious now.

I'll be interested to see what you think. I had a very different reaction to it once I was familiar with the characters (particularly Jack).

But super-powerful, not *all*-powerful don't necessarily have to be a deus. That's how come comic writers can tell stories at all.(Although it does work better if the characters don't have too many super powers. In my book any decent story involving Adult Superman is a miracle cause he has so many powers I can't remember them all!)

Mind you, the more I talk about this, the more I realise my issues aren't necessarily with the Asended Guys, so much as combined frustration. Buffy's actually another series where this drives me nuts, I don't see why they even mention there is a good side, the amount of help they've been.

Oh, and yeah, I read fanfic. Haven't read that story though, would you mind giving me a link?

Oh, and yeah, I read fanfic. Haven't read that story though, would you mind giving me a link?

Sure. Here you go: Meeting of Minds.

You speak true of Sam. I didn't know until I'd seen half the eps or so that Bill Macy and Felicity Huffman are married.

Now you have me thinking of my new favourite show Out of Order, with the above and Eric Stoltz and Kim Dickens and Justine Bateman.

Anyone else watching that?