Mal: Inara, think you could stoop to being on my arm? Inara: Will you wash it first?

'Heart Of Gold'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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erikaj - Mar 03, 2005 9:08:33 am PST #9954 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah.


Sean K - Mar 03, 2005 9:12:48 am PST #9955 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

That was one of my favorite TV moments EVER.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 03, 2005 9:19:49 am PST #9956 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

"Is that it? Am I done?"

That just made me wonder... was Doyle the first friend Angel made since he (mostly) stopped being evil? I wouldn't count Buffy because of the big tragic predestined love thing, but I'm not quite sure whether Willow would count as a friend in her own right or just the girlfriend's best friend.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 03, 2005 9:19:54 am PST #9957 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

"Is that it? Am I done?"

That just made me wonder... was Doyle the first friend Angel made since he (mostly) stopped being evil? I wouldn't count Buffy because of the big tragic predestined love thing, but I'm not quite sure whether Willow would count as a friend in her own right or just the girlfriend's best friend.


Sean K - Mar 03, 2005 9:21:37 am PST #9958 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

was Doyle the first friend Angel made since he (mostly) stopped being evil?

Seems like. And even then, most of the work to bring about the friendship was done on Doyle's part. It takes a lot of work to be a friend of Angel's.


Vortex - Mar 03, 2005 9:29:08 am PST #9959 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

That just made me wonder... was Doyle the first friend Angel made since he (mostly) stopped being evil?

well, there was Whistler. and I seem to recall something about how they wanted Whistler for the series, but the actor was in rehab or something?


§ ita § - Mar 03, 2005 9:30:31 am PST #9960 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the actor was in rehab or something?

Oh, the irony.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 03, 2005 9:31:43 am PST #9961 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I didn't get the sense that Whistler was someone Angel would have palled around with at the local pub... the guy gave him a much-needed kick in the ass, but there didn't seem be any love lost between them.


joe boucher - Mar 03, 2005 9:42:39 am PST #9962 of 10001
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

"Is that it? Am I done?"

This. And even more so hearing it again in "You're Welcome" -- just finding out that Angel had kept that tape all that time wrecked me all over again.

And the whole meta-circumstances of poor, dumb Glenn Quinn. Very sad.

I find Buffy's response to Faith in "Consequences" very moving. The words couldn't be simpler, but she sounds so desolate.

Faith: In the balance, nobody's gonna cry over some random bystander who got caught in the crossfire.

Buffy: I am.

ED always did a great job of conveying Faith's doubts underneath all the bravado. Even though she's telling Buffy in no uncertain terms in that scene that what happened doesn't bother her you know that it's killing her. That element of character and performance culminated in a scene that wrecks me, the amazing fight between Faith and Angel in "Five by Five" in which she breaks down and begs him to kill her (and which is so beautifully echoed in "Darla" when Angel tries to get Darla to kill him: "Too much of a coward to end your own existence, you want me to do it for you?")


Topic!Cindy - Mar 03, 2005 9:43:47 am PST #9963 of 10001
What is even happening?

the actor was in rehab or something?

Oh, the irony.

I want to say I heard the Whistler actor was in prison at the time, not rehab, but I could be completely wrong.