I want to torture you. I used to love it, and it's been a long time. I mean, the last time I tortured someone, they didn't even have chainsaws.

Angel ,'Chosen'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Vonnie K - Oct 12, 2004 10:04:55 am PDT #9193 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Ahhh P-C, you've got a John Hughes-sized gap on your movie knowledge, which is not necessarily a bad thing, unless you haven't seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off. In which case, I command that you get thee to the nearest video store, STAT!

I like SKoW because of the ginormous crush I had on Watts, despite the fact that I thought Keith was a weener.

It is, isn't it? But it's even better at the end of The Snapper.

Oh, yeah. I'd forgotten the song was featured in that flick. I liked The Snapper a lot, although it's usually shadowed by my unreasonable love for The Commitments. That reminds me, I haven't seen the last two Roddy Doyle flicks. Should remedy that.

t looks at the thread title Uhh, Buffy/Xander wouldn't have worked for me. I don't have a violent aversion to the idea or anything, but I really liked that their friendship has gone past romantic infatuation a long time ago.


§ ita § - Oct 12, 2004 10:07:08 am PDT #9194 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Isn't the message of SKoW that you don't have to be that girl to get the good guy, and that guys should look further than fashion and rep?

Which totally isn't what I'd take from B/X -- I'd take exactly what PMM hates.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 12, 2004 10:07:58 am PDT #9195 of 10001
What is even happening?

Would you hate it, while taking it, ita?


Polter-Cow - Oct 12, 2004 10:10:11 am PDT #9196 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Ahhh P-C, you've got a John Hughes-sized gap on your movie knowledge, which is not necessarily a bad thing, unless you haven't seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off. In which case, I command that you get thee to the nearest video store, STAT!

I technically have, but I was really tired and barely remember a thing. As I admitted in Movies, I'm also missing Pretty in Pink, Sixteen Candles, and The Breakfast Club.

Which totally isn't what I'd take from B/X -- I'd take exactly what PMM hates.

The Joss part or the poontang part?


§ ita § - Oct 12, 2004 10:12:49 am PDT #9197 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yup. Just like I get defensive about Mal and Zoe. Let something just be a great Platonic (not just platonic) friendship.


DavidS - Oct 12, 2004 10:15:30 am PDT #9198 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Yup. Just like I get defensive about Mal and Zoe. Let something just be a great Platonic (not just platonic) friendship.

I'm all for this, but it was impossible for me not to map Wash/Zoe as Xander/Buffy.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 12, 2004 10:16:58 am PDT #9199 of 10001
What is even happening?

Me too, Hec.


erikaj - Oct 12, 2004 10:21:02 am PDT #9200 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Wrod, ita, Mal and Zoe shouldn't do it cause they're *partners*, not, you know, partners. You should endeavor never to do your partner, even though in Homicide fandom some people take the affectionate term "bunky" way, way, too literally, imo.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 12, 2004 10:21:10 am PDT #9201 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I think enough of the shinyness rubbed off Buffy for me that I never really associated her with Zoe.


JZ - Oct 12, 2004 10:22:29 am PDT #9202 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Huh. I never thought of them that way -- we know so little of their history, and what little we do know is that Zoe disliked him on sight; something about him just made her hackles rise. I always kind of imagined him doing some Xanderlike pushing and nudging early on, but with a lot more grown-upness and confidence behind it, possibly startling Zoe into a yes against her better judgment, which at length turned into her better judgment eventually coming around and concurring with the rest of her.

Buffy, in contrast, liked Xander right away, felt at ease and friendly and affectionate and sisterly and confiding, and everything that was good, except not romantic. There was no dislike or mistrust for her to get over, just a total absence of romantic feeling. Different dynamic, different history; for me, B/X and Z/W never pinged as remotely similar.