Please...Wesley...why can't I stay?

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 22, 2004 10:40:32 am PDT #9036 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm now imagining a little Charles Schultz version of Penny hearing his folks talk in the Peanuts teacher's voice.


Kalshane - Sep 23, 2004 5:35:59 am PDT #9037 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Personally, Joss' idea for bringing Tara back gave me shivers when I heard it. Then again, I am a complete and utter sap.

I think one of the differences between Buffy and Tara would be that Buffy sacrificed herself. As far as she was concerned, she was done. She'd been fighting the forces of darkness since the age of 15 and she was finally at peace. She was not only forcibly ripped away from that, but she woke up buried alive which just compounded the trauma. (Especially since if we go back to Nightmares in season 1, the Master does this to her, which puts it high on her list of fears considering the concept of the episode.)

Tara was killed by a stray bullet shortly after reconciling with her love. There's some unfinished business there. And I'd imagine Buffy would take pains to make sure Tara's arrival in the world of the living would be a little nicer than hers was.

Also, Buffy could easily have added an "if she is willing" clause to her wish.

As for why Tara and not Joyce or a life with Angel, by season 7 Buffy has come to grips with the loss of her mother. While she would love to her have her back, she's no longer hurting from the loss. Secondly, from a completely tactical perspective, facing off against the First Evil, Tara is more useful than Joyce. Tara not only can help them magically, but she could also help Willow with her confidence, which was still pretty shot magic-wise until the very end of the season.

As for a life with Angel, cookie-dough speech aside, Angel also has his own life right now. Wishing him away from that would be unfair.

As for wishes going wrong in the Buffyverse, our only evidence is has been those granted by Vengeance Demons, who are not the nicest of people by nature and have a good degree of leeway when granting a wish (see Anya turning the cheating boyfriend French when his disgruntled ex wished that he turn into a frog.) I'd imagine this wish would have been more stringless, or at least not actively vindictive.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 23, 2004 6:53:32 am PDT #9038 of 10001
What is even happening?

Secondly, from a completely tactical perspective, facing off against the First Evil, Tara is more useful than Joyce. Tara not only can help them magically, but she could also help Willow with her confidence, which was still pretty shot magic-wise until the very end of the season.

Well, and then Kennedy could have turned to the dark side, and we could have watched Buffy kill her, or maybe Willow could have just made her mute. t /issues


Jim - Sep 23, 2004 7:05:54 am PDT #9039 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Or Faith could have stabbed her to death before making some quip about the difference between an actual tough rebel slayer and an really annoying brat.


Kalshane - Sep 23, 2004 7:20:46 am PDT #9040 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Well, didn't Joss say we ended up with Kennedy because Tara wasn't coming back?

I think the character could have worked with another actress. Wouldn't have minded watching the character we ended up with die painfully, though.


CaBil - Sep 25, 2004 12:42:00 pm PDT #9041 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

From the gaming report

Eden Studios, the publishers of the Official Buffy and Angel Roleplaying Games have been working on a new book about the Watcher's Council. It was decided, that the Watchers would have files on the existing/past slayers, and Eden thought it looked odd that Faith and Kendra don't have surnames.

So they asked FOX... who asked Joss Whedon...

ded their official names, names that will appear in any licensed products (novels or even TV shows) after the Watcher's Book comes out. And Eden will publish them first.

The only thing is, I can't tell you what they are... signed confidentiality agreements and everything... To paraphrase another movie, no-one can be told what their names are, you'll have to see for yourself.


sfmarty - Sep 25, 2004 1:48:05 pm PDT #9042 of 10001
Who? moi??

Winters and Fall


Glamcookie - Oct 01, 2004 11:43:29 am PDT #9043 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

X-posted with Angel:

New Marsters/Boreanaz photo


DavidS - Oct 01, 2004 11:47:34 am PDT #9044 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

New Marsters/Boreanaz photo

The New Adventures of The Highlight Avenger and Buzz Boy!


Gandalfe - Oct 01, 2004 12:27:30 pm PDT #9045 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Jesus, that photo is scary.