Now hold on, I'm gonna press the right pedal harder. I expect us to accelerate.

Anya ,'Showtime'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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P.M. Marc - Sep 02, 2004 5:05:03 pm PDT #8959 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

You are the least spelling-out person I know.

GoT to that, I suppose.

I did have to explain a few TLAs to sweet innocent co-workers last out.


DebetEsse - Sep 02, 2004 5:20:14 pm PDT #8960 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Now, I have a long history of wanking stuff, and am sometimes not half bad, but I'm totally copping to making this up as I go along.

Perhaps, if Caleb had gotten the Scythe, he would have been able to tap into it's power (lots of dead Slayers), and maybe even hijack the power of The Slayer (or choose the next Slayer?), or something like that (particularly if all the Potentials and the Slayer were dead). So, instead of a big scary that can be any dead person it wants with a super-stong disciple, it's a big scary yadda yadda without a strong, established opponent.

Taking it further, maybe it would allow the First to possess the Slayer, or exert a significant amount of power over her.

But none of that is canon at all.

Just like my How We Get to Fray explanation. Ok, even less canon than that.


Polter-Cow - Sep 02, 2004 5:21:23 pm PDT #8961 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Just like my How We Get to Fray explanation.

Sentient plankton?


DebetEsse - Sep 02, 2004 5:31:27 pm PDT #8962 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Shh, P-C. If you don't talk about it, it will confuse everyone and leave some nice ambiguity in the resolution.


Gris - Sep 02, 2004 5:54:12 pm PDT #8963 of 10001
Hey. New board.

There's problems getting to Fray? Maybe I don't remember Fray as well as I think I do, but I see no problems getting there from canon as long as we don't assume that Buffy is the Slayer that Ended it All. Admittedly, that seems implied, but I don't see why it's necessary. Hell, she COULD be the Slayer that Ended it All, only later. As in, maybe, during the war brought on by silly Angel at the end.

OH WAIT! The problem is in the slayer line, since Fray talks about "when you die another will be chosen" and cetera. Hmm. I'll have to go back and look at that. But maybe the spell wore off once there was no need for slayers for 500 years? Or maybe there are other slayers out there but the demons/watchers can't find them, so they just pick her because of her convenient nearby location?

All right. Going with plankton.


SailAweigh - Sep 02, 2004 6:04:11 pm PDT #8964 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Or maybe the spell was a one shot deal and once all the Potentials that got activated in "Chosen" died, it returned to just one at a time. But, people were so used to having multiple Slayers that they forgot where they originally came from and the "Chosen One" myth was lost. Hence, no one knew how to find the only Slayer left after that. Hmmm. That's a pretty limp wank.


brenda m - Sep 02, 2004 6:07:58 pm PDT #8965 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Is the question about the history of the Slayer, or of the (not)Scythe? If the former,

It seems reasonable to me to assume that Willow's spell affected currenlty living potential, without necessarily changing anything as far as ultimate Slayerdom. This is contradicted, somewhat, by Faith's calling after Kendra's death - but only if we assume that Buffy's line is still active, which is canonically iffy. So Faith's line could yet be the only one with, um, staying power.

If it's the latter, I'm not really clear what the issue is. Does Fray give a different interp of the axe?

Also not clear on why I'm whitefonting, but what the hell.


Stephanie - Sep 03, 2004 1:47:14 am PDT #8966 of 10001
Trust my rage

Cindy and Hec (and everyone) thanks for the explanations. I was aware of the concept (and have seen the eps), but I don't think I'd heard the joss term before.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 03, 2004 1:49:06 am PDT #8967 of 10001
What is even happening?

brenda, in Chosen, didn't someone say, "From now on, every girl who can be a slayer, will be a slayer," or something like that? I think that's the bit that did the jossing of Fray.

Nonian, you're welcome. I am sorry if I went on too long.


brenda m - Sep 03, 2004 2:53:12 am PDT #8968 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Cindy, I think you're right, but that could be easily attributed to unreliable narrator.

Also, to add to what I said last night, can you picture a circumstance in which it would be easier for the Slayer line to be lost? Not died out, just totally unlocatable? Say Faith dies, a new Slayer is called...but with a hodge-podge, pasted together council and hundreds or thousands of other one-shot Slayers running around, how on earth would they ever locate her?