Buffy. When I saw you stop the world from, you know, ending, I just assumed that was a big week for you. Turns out I suddenly find myself needing to know the plural of 'apocalypse.'

Riley ,'Potential'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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SailAweigh - Sep 02, 2004 6:04:11 pm PDT #8964 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Or maybe the spell was a one shot deal and once all the Potentials that got activated in "Chosen" died, it returned to just one at a time. But, people were so used to having multiple Slayers that they forgot where they originally came from and the "Chosen One" myth was lost. Hence, no one knew how to find the only Slayer left after that. Hmmm. That's a pretty limp wank.


brenda m - Sep 02, 2004 6:07:58 pm PDT #8965 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Is the question about the history of the Slayer, or of the (not)Scythe? If the former,

It seems reasonable to me to assume that Willow's spell affected currenlty living potential, without necessarily changing anything as far as ultimate Slayerdom. This is contradicted, somewhat, by Faith's calling after Kendra's death - but only if we assume that Buffy's line is still active, which is canonically iffy. So Faith's line could yet be the only one with, um, staying power.

If it's the latter, I'm not really clear what the issue is. Does Fray give a different interp of the axe?

Also not clear on why I'm whitefonting, but what the hell.


Stephanie - Sep 03, 2004 1:47:14 am PDT #8966 of 10001
Trust my rage

Cindy and Hec (and everyone) thanks for the explanations. I was aware of the concept (and have seen the eps), but I don't think I'd heard the joss term before.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 03, 2004 1:49:06 am PDT #8967 of 10001
What is even happening?

brenda, in Chosen, didn't someone say, "From now on, every girl who can be a slayer, will be a slayer," or something like that? I think that's the bit that did the jossing of Fray.

Nonian, you're welcome. I am sorry if I went on too long.


brenda m - Sep 03, 2004 2:53:12 am PDT #8968 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Cindy, I think you're right, but that could be easily attributed to unreliable narrator.

Also, to add to what I said last night, can you picture a circumstance in which it would be easier for the Slayer line to be lost? Not died out, just totally unlocatable? Say Faith dies, a new Slayer is called...but with a hodge-podge, pasted together council and hundreds or thousands of other one-shot Slayers running around, how on earth would they ever locate her?


Stephanie - Sep 03, 2004 3:42:49 am PDT #8969 of 10001
Trust my rage

I am sorry if I went on too long

Not at all - thanks!


-t - Sep 03, 2004 4:57:13 am PDT #8970 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I have a Chosen -> Fray wank.

The spell conferring slayerhood on all the potentials made all current potentials into slayers and essentially ended all of their lines. No future slayers because, no potentials. A sort of balancing.

The slayer and her friends driving magic for the world (I don't remember exactly how it was said in Fray) is a mythologization of the history (our future) in which the army of slayers is largely successful in rooting out magical evil from the world but has no successors.

I'm curious about DebetEsses's, plankton or no plankton.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 03, 2004 5:10:08 am PDT #8971 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Buffy would never have known about it, let alone acquired it, if Caleb and crew hadn't dug for it. I'd like to think they had some reason, but I've never come up with one. Just another plot hole, I guess.

Yeah, leaving it completely embedded in solid rock probably would have been a good way to keep Buffy away from it.

The only way I can make Season 7 make sense is if the First Evil's goal wasn't to end the Slayer line, but rather to end itself. In "Chosen" it said that once its übervamps outnumbered the remains of the human race, it would be able to take fleshy form of its own. In essence, it would be alive—and killable, if a powerful enough opponent and weapon were at hand. Its words to Willow once it revealed itself could be interpreted in that way:

Fact is, the whole good versus evil, balancing the scales thing—I'm over it. I'm done with the mortal coil. But believe me, I'm going for a big finish.


Polter-Cow - Sep 03, 2004 5:14:19 am PDT #8972 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The only way I can make Season 7 make sense is if the First Evil's goal wasn't to end the Slayer line, but rather to end itself.

Whoa. Matt, that interpretation of the First's line to Willow is actually really cool.

Can you dig up any more support for it?


-t - Sep 03, 2004 5:26:56 am PDT #8973 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I like that Matt.

It's the First Evil after all, it's probably tired.