Ahem:
Cordelia: Oh, I'll you dead.
Remember? On the roof? She meant it, once upon a time. The bitch is back. But then, she went far, far away.
Mal: You were dead! Tracy: Hunh? Oh. Right. Suppose I was. Hey there, Zoe.
'The Message'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Allyson - Aug 29, 2004 6:49:55 pm PDT #8837 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Jim - Aug 31, 2004 11:07:55 pm PDT #8838 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Hard to quiet the inner feminist who ticked off the bodycount: Cordy, dead; Fred, dead; Tara, dead; Anya, dead.
Although on Buffy there's a strong argument to be made that women die because women are the protagonists; the men in Buffy are either villains, sidekicks or love interests (or all three).
Lyra Jane - Sep 01, 2004 5:55:14 am PDT #8839 of 10001
Up with the sun
Although on Buffy there's a strong argument to be made that women die because women are the protagonists
Buffy is the protagonist, but Tara and Anya were just as much sidekicks/romantic partners as Riley and Oz. Tara and Anya died; Riley and Oz left town.
I don't think the shows or the writers are consciously sexist, but the pattern is a bit hinky if you just count off who died. I think Dru is the only female character who left the show and didn't die.
§ ita § - Sep 01, 2004 7:27:23 am PDT #8840 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Men abandon, women die.
Doesn't make anyone look that good.
Well, not that men don't also die.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 01, 2004 7:29:07 am PDT #8841 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I think Dru is the only female character who left the show and didn't die.
Amy, though she was admittedly a fairly minor recurring character.
Would that Kennedy had taken the place of one of the women who ended up leaving via bodybag.
Topic!Cindy - Sep 01, 2004 9:47:26 am PDT #8842 of 10001
What is even happening?
Or two.
Like Eve, I think I could have enjoyed her grizzly, fictional onscreen death on a permanent loop.
SailAweigh - Sep 01, 2004 2:49:48 pm PDT #8843 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
I don't think the shows or the writers are consciously sexist, but the pattern is a bit hinky if you just count off who died. I think Dru is the only female character who left the show and didn't die.
I look at it from the standpoint that the (good) women* go down fighting. Men run away from the fight because they're weak. Whether or not that's the impression the writers meant to make, it's the way I took it.
- Darla could be said to be a "good" woman, because she gave up her (un)life for her child. So, it still holds true.
Polter-Cow - Sep 01, 2004 2:50:53 pm PDT #8844 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I look at it from the standpoint that the (good) women* go down fighting.
Tara went down standing.
SailAweigh - Sep 01, 2004 2:55:35 pm PDT #8845 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
If she went down, P-C, then she couldn't be standing.
t /literal.
Tara was collateral damage.
DebetEsse - Sep 01, 2004 4:03:05 pm PDT #8846 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Jenny and Joyce also both didn't seem so much like going down fighting, and they were two of the other big deaths for the series.
You could make the argument with Jenny, but you have to abstract it. And if she had really thought of herself as actively in battle, surely she would have been working someplace a little more out of the line of fire.
On Joyce, don't get me wrong, I get what was being done with killing her. But it does add to the pattern.