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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


Katie M - Aug 29, 2004 2:33:03 pm PDT #8830 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

My worst thought though, actually was this: "Fuck. Can you imagine what Joss would've done to Kaylee if Firefly had lasted five seasons? He would've turned her into a Reaver just to gut us."

It was a disturbing thought.

Yeah, you know, I have to admit, there's a little piece of me that's glad Firefly didn't stay on long enough for Joss to destroy the characters, poor lambs. I'm not sure I could've watched that happen again.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 29, 2004 5:14:15 pm PDT #8831 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I think not—Kaylee was the Willow. River, however, might have ended up the Queen Reaver after a few years.

And she would have done it to save the rest of the crew. You just know it would have been a choice on her part, much as she was capable of choice.


Allyson - Aug 29, 2004 5:58:15 pm PDT #8832 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I expect Whedon to you know, have the sweet girls raped, impregnated with demon spawn, and then go evil.

I just roll my eyes and start a new drinking game. What I'd never forgive?

Zoe: You're a champion, Mal. A champion.


§ ita § - Aug 29, 2004 6:01:30 pm PDT #8833 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'd like to see someone try to rape Zoe.

She'd make brilliant raging evil, though. Hottie reaver, or berserker seeking vengeance for her murdered husband.


Allyson - Aug 29, 2004 6:07:23 pm PDT #8834 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

You're a champion, ita. A champion.

No killing Wash. Beat the piss out of him, sure.


§ ita § - Aug 29, 2004 6:09:58 pm PDT #8835 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think she'd take vengeance (not the rampage I envision) if he was still alive. She'd be with him until he was good again, and by then her rage would have cooled into something still terrifying but more focussed and with less collateral damage.

I like collateral damage.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 29, 2004 6:44:23 pm PDT #8836 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

What I'd never forgive?

Zoe: You're a champion, Mal. A champion.

Didn't "Take me sir. Take me hard." pretty much ensure that we'd never be subjected to this possibility? If nothing else, I'd hope that the torch bearing mobs convinced Joss that kyerumption is a road best left untread...


Allyson - Aug 29, 2004 6:49:55 pm PDT #8837 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Ahem:

Cordelia: Oh, I'll you dead.

Remember? On the roof? She meant it, once upon a time. The bitch is back. But then, she went far, far away.


Jim - Aug 31, 2004 11:07:55 pm PDT #8838 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Hard to quiet the inner feminist who ticked off the bodycount: Cordy, dead; Fred, dead; Tara, dead; Anya, dead.

Although on Buffy there's a strong argument to be made that women die because women are the protagonists; the men in Buffy are either villains, sidekicks or love interests (or all three).


Lyra Jane - Sep 01, 2004 5:55:14 am PDT #8839 of 10001
Up with the sun

Although on Buffy there's a strong argument to be made that women die because women are the protagonists

Buffy is the protagonist, but Tara and Anya were just as much sidekicks/romantic partners as Riley and Oz. Tara and Anya died; Riley and Oz left town.

I don't think the shows or the writers are consciously sexist, but the pattern is a bit hinky if you just count off who died. I think Dru is the only female character who left the show and didn't die.