Well, yes. I agree. Buffy could be a bitch, or better yet, she could be bitchy. So could every character really, even St. Willow. I prefer my hero to have feet of clay. But this Spike-is-a-woobie, and that-bitch-Buffy-doesn't-deserve him take on the series as a whole makes my head spin, and I just can't blame Marti for it. I think there are tiny crack molecules which fly through the air, and are attracted to, and attack some folks, and not others. It's the only logical explanation. For a lot of stuff, really.

No, I'm with you Cindy, and that's speaking as someone who found Spike and the B/S relationship very compelling all the way through. I'd even go so far as to say that the increasing darkness of that relationship began with Buffy (though I wouldn't call it her fault) but to watch the whole series and come out of it with Good Spike/Bad Buffy is boggling.

And I am with you, brenda.

I just don't understand how people who are drawn to a Joss Whedon show in the first place are prone to protective woobiefying any of the characters. I mean, I'm nearly as fond of Lindsey as most of the Spike fanatics are of their boy, but my reaction was always "Throttle him some more, Angel! Wheeee!"

I probably shouldn't judge the Spuffies' splinterlike woobification of Spike, while I'm still trying to remove the plank of Buffy woobification from mine own eye.

(But Buffy makes this boo boo face, and I want to feed her warm, chocolate pudding, pat her on the head, and tell her to think of it tomorrow at Tara.)

(Of course that'll bring up unpleasant associations of its own.)

(Like it wasn't bad enough Willow freeloaded off of Buffy, while Buffy was wearing a frigging chicken on her hat to keep the repo man at bay.)

(Who do we think had to scrub to remove all that dead lesbian cliche from the carpet? Willow? I think not. She was too busy getting close to the earth with Giles. Which is ridiculous, 'cause Wicca good and love the earth, and womyn power and I'll be over here...)

(There's not Willow/Giles fic, is there? Oh, man that was a stupid question, for heaven's sake, I've had people—and let me stress this was completely against my will—prove to me that there's Transformers' slash, of course there's Willow/Giles fic.)

(Bleach. Need bleeeeaaaaaaaaach. Where's the bleach? Frigging Spike probably used it all up on his hair. How'm I ever going to clean my brain, now?)

(I'm done.)

(In a righteous world, that post would have been COMMed. Here, everyone is now too busy, Googling 'Transformer Slash')

Parenthetical!Cindy has me laughing too hard to cut and paste.

So, I'm reading COMM and DH is reading over my shoulder, and asks "What's Willow/Giles fic?". I do my best to explain. He gets to "there's Transformers slash" and says:

Well of course there is! They are more than meets the eye, after all.

And now he's pondering the best search terms for googling for it.

I blame Cindy.

Or society. Whichever.

Cindy is patently EVIL, of course.

of course since the COMM got me back reading this thread I came upon this:

I mean, I'm nearly as fond of Lindsey as most of the Spike fanatics are of their boy, but my reaction was always "Throttle him some more, Angel! Wheeee!"

And can't stop smiling.