Sharks are evil, ita. Didn't you see Jaws ?

I think werewolves are more "evil" than regular wolves -- they aren't hunting for food, presumably. I mean, the humans likely had dinner before they turned.

If Oz's wolf nature is evil in its expression, doesn't it make sharks evil?

Mostly? What Jesse said. But in general, I just can't get that relative about Buffyverse monsters. I mean, where do we go from there?

Once a human knows that three nights out of every 28, he is going to go on a killing spree, and if for the other 25 days and nights, and the three daytime parts of the full moon days, he can work something out, to keep himself in control? Then, no. He's nothing like a shark, at all. It's not Oz's fault he got wolfed. His little cousin Jordy bit him. But he's responsible for handling himself. All I can really say to a werewolf is what I'd say to a habitual drunk driver on his way to the pub, "Dude, give the keys to someone who won't let you kill people when you get like that."

I think werewolves are more "evil" than regular wolves -- they aren't hunting for food, presumably.

no, they do. Remember "I feel oddly full"

Well Vortex, they do eat, but it's not as if they *have* to. I think that's what Jesse was going for. They're only wolfie when the sun is down, even on those three days, where as actual wolves have to hunt to eat all the time.

I would think that their extra strength and speed would give them a higher metabolism, so that they do have to eat.

It's interesting because one component of evil, or at least my personal definition of such, is choice. But part of the definition of a vampire or werewolf is that they hunt, so they aren't making a choice when they kill: they just are, like a shark.

Over the course of the series, we saw a fair amount of evidence that vampires can choose not to kill humans, even without a soul or chip, so I'll accept they can choose to be evil or not.

On the other hand, we saw Oz say he had conquered the wolf, though he wasn't able to control it when he was emotional. But we didn't see evidence that werewolves can choose to kill or not to kill, beyond choosing (as humans) to be confined when they were wolfy. But I don't think Wolf-Oz or Wolf-Nina could decide in that moment not to hunt and kill; it's what they are.

I would think that their extra strength and speed would give them a higher metabolism, so that they do have to eat.

I was going for what Cindy said I was, but eh. It's not that fully-formed a thought.

I would think that their extra strength and speed would give them a higher metabolism, so that they do have to eat.

The beast has the urge to eat, but neither the beast nor the human he springs from is going to die, if he doesn't eat on those nights he's a werewolf. A regular wolf can't not eat when he's a wolf, because he's always a wolf. But we know from Oz, that a werewolf can lock himself up, and not go hunt, and live.

It's interesting because one component of evil, or at least my personal definition of such, is choice. But part of the definition of a vampire or werewolf is that they hunt, so they aren't making a choice when they kill: they just are, like a shark.

I buy this for the werewolf when he's wolfie, but he's not wolfie all of the time, or even most of the time, so it still doesn't quite work for me.

It seems contrary to Buffyverse canon where vampires are concerned. ** When it suits a vamp, he can not hunt. He chooses the kill. Angel made due with rats, and pigs blood (and blood stolen/bought from blood banks). Harmony didn't have to kill. Chipped!Spike didn't kill (and couldn't without great pain). They are motivated to hunt humans not only for food, because they enjoy hurting humans, until something else (guilt, whatever-Harms-motives-were, love) motivates them more strongly.

Sort of along these lines, wasn't the premise of some Buffyverse episode (maybe Dopplegangland, I can't remember) the vampires building a blood sucking machine, to automate the process. I have a distinct memory of a human on an assembly line.

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I realize you noted that, I just went off on a redundant tangent, anyhow. It's been so long since we've had Buffy stuffy. :)

(maybe Dopplegangland, I can't remember)

The Wish, I believe.