Anya, the Shopkeepers of America called. They wanted me to tell you that 'please go' just got replaced with 'have a nice day.'

Xander ,'Selfless'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Narrator - Aug 03, 2004 3:47:58 am PDT #8673 of 10001
The evil is this way?

They killed bunnies? ::shudder::


sumi - Aug 03, 2004 4:23:10 am PDT #8674 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

So, what you're saying is that Oz didn't go evil -- Oz is evil because he is a monster, the way that Anya and Angel are evil. (Or Anya was evil -- when she was a demon.)


Vortex - Aug 03, 2004 5:26:03 am PDT #8675 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

So, what you're saying is that Oz didn't go evil -- Oz is evil because he is a monster,

no, I don't think so. The minister said "cease doing evil, learn to do good" Which seems to suggest that he's not saying that there is inherent evil, just evil deeds. or manifestation of inherent evil, I suppose


Topic!Cindy - Aug 03, 2004 5:57:27 am PDT #8676 of 10001
What is even happening?

So, what you're saying is that Oz didn't go evil -- Oz is evil because he is a monster, the way that Anya and Angel are evil. (Or Anya was evil -- when she was a demon.)

No, I specifically said he is not evil. But he is a monster (or has one inside) and is capable of doing evil. Like Angel (but not so much Anya, she's a different sort of model), he has evil in him. Like Angel, it has to be triggered. But I think the series was pretty good at showing us this was true for most of our main characters. Buffy had the potential to do evil (that was (to me) the point of the Faith character). Giles ("The Dark Age" and "Helpless"), Willow (S6, especially), Dawn (the key could facilitate evil), even Xander (selfish spells in BB&B, and OMWF), and Tara. Anya's evil was a choice, which I guess is true for all of them, but it seemed to be a different sort of choice--more deliberate, maybe? I don't know.


§ ita § - Aug 03, 2004 5:59:45 am PDT #8677 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If Oz's wolf nature is evil in its expression, doesn't it make sharks evil?


Polter-Cow - Aug 03, 2004 6:05:07 am PDT #8678 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Sharks are evil, ita. Didn't you see Jaws ?


Jesse - Aug 03, 2004 6:30:33 am PDT #8679 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I think werewolves are more "evil" than regular wolves -- they aren't hunting for food, presumably. I mean, the humans likely had dinner before they turned.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 03, 2004 6:42:37 am PDT #8680 of 10001
What is even happening?

If Oz's wolf nature is evil in its expression, doesn't it make sharks evil?

Mostly? What Jesse said. But in general, I just can't get that relative about Buffyverse monsters. I mean, where do we go from there?

Once a human knows that three nights out of every 28, he is going to go on a killing spree, and if for the other 25 days and nights, and the three daytime parts of the full moon days, he can work something out, to keep himself in control? Then, no. He's nothing like a shark, at all. It's not Oz's fault he got wolfed. His little cousin Jordy bit him. But he's responsible for handling himself. All I can really say to a werewolf is what I'd say to a habitual drunk driver on his way to the pub, "Dude, give the keys to someone who won't let you kill people when you get like that."


Vortex - Aug 03, 2004 6:46:15 am PDT #8681 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I think werewolves are more "evil" than regular wolves -- they aren't hunting for food, presumably.

no, they do. Remember "I feel oddly full"


Topic!Cindy - Aug 03, 2004 6:48:47 am PDT #8682 of 10001
What is even happening?

Well Vortex, they do eat, but it's not as if they *have* to. I think that's what Jesse was going for. They're only wolfie when the sun is down, even on those three days, where as actual wolves have to hunt to eat all the time.