Oh, yeah. There was this time I was pinned down by this guy that played left tackle for varsity... Well, at least he used to before he was a vampire... Anyway, he had this really, really thick neck, and all I had was a little, little Exact-O knife ... You're not loving this story.

Buffy ,'Beneath You'


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DCJensen - May 30, 2004 7:12:29 am PDT #8207 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I would like to note that it's Buffy's conscious mind that limits her. When she's been CaveBuffy or BargainingBuffy she has more physicality.

It seems that her greatest strength doesn't come out until she lets the weight of the world fall off and just goes berserker.


§ ita § - May 30, 2004 7:13:14 am PDT #8208 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It seems that her greatest strength doesn't come out until she lets the weight of the world fall off and just goes berserker.

Doesn't that apply to just about everyone? That's why beserkers are to be feared in a fight.


DCJensen - May 30, 2004 8:26:14 am PDT #8209 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Yes and no. Buffy doesn't seem to know she can tap into the power.

Maybe if she would have been given the slayer's handbook....


§ ita § - May 30, 2004 8:27:35 am PDT #8210 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's very possible she wouldn't want to.


SailAweigh - May 30, 2004 12:01:35 pm PDT #8211 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

It's very possible she wouldn't want to.

ITA. Buffy seemed to be (after Ted) overly conscious of her own strength and ability to tap into her darkside. Plus, speaking from personal experience, my darkside comes out in extremely harmful verbal smackdowns when I let myself really go. Not pretty, so I purposefully restrain myself 99.9% of the time and only let it out after much deepheld introspection to decide if it is the best way to approach the situation. It's usually a "no turning back" situation where you have to be willing to accept the consequences. Buffy's consequences usually meant someone's death. Not something I would want to be responsible for and I'm pretty sure Buffy didn't either. Giles summed it up when he smothered Ben telling him Buffy couldn't kill him because she was a hero. Hero's don't take life, they preserve it. Which means holding back and controlling the desire to go berserk. After all, they only pulled out the "UberSlayer" that one time in "Primeval," where she really needed it. And there was still nearly disasterous consequences then. I think Buffy learned early to only use as much force as was necessary.


§ ita § - May 30, 2004 12:06:54 pm PDT #8212 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's the whole Jekyll/Hyde thing. As rational modern people, we're supposed to want to be the Dr. Even Wolverine chose samurai over beserker.


SailAweigh - May 30, 2004 12:28:08 pm PDT #8213 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Nice summation, ita. I'm just too damn wordy.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 30, 2004 6:04:18 pm PDT #8214 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm also not sure the berserker thing is absolutely true WRT Buffy. Prior to "Primeval" at least, she was at her most physically powerful at the end of "Prophecy Girl," when she was also uncharacteristically serene and in control.


DavidS - May 30, 2004 7:23:18 pm PDT #8215 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm also not sure the berserker thing is absolutely true WRT Buffy. Prior to "Primeval" at least, she was at her most physically powerful at the end of "Prophecy Girl," when she was also uncharacteristically serene and in control.

Ditto when she killed the Ubervamp in front of the Potentials. Contrarily she was weaker than usual fighting Sunday until she mastered her emotions. Mostly she just needs to focus.


§ ita § - May 30, 2004 7:29:58 pm PDT #8216 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There's two ends of it. Being a beserker doesn't mean sloppy or out of focus. Getting in touch with the primal is powerful -- but that's not what she was doing against Sunday. Her emotions were sapping her fight, not feeding them. Faith feeds her fight with passion. Buffy not as much.

Zen's on the other side, where emotions aren't even in the picture, mastery instead of abandonment -- that's where Buffy wants to be.

eta: Kendra was not Zen, IMO. She was cut off.