This isn't a come-on. I'm in a very serious relationship with a landscape architect.

Oliver ,'Conviction (1)'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Topic!Cindy - Apr 22, 2004 10:09:30 am PDT #7709 of 10001
What is even happening?

At least "Smashed" had some amusing Trio action going for it, trying valiantly to cancel out the ridiculous Buffy/Spike sex.

Oh dear. I thought the Buffy/Spike bringing the house down sex was rather hot. It wasn't as hot as Angel feeding off Buffy in Graduation Day, but it worked for me.

(I am trying to write in the, been-here-a-while trying-to-help-out-a-new-comer tone of voice.)

J.D. was Marti's assistant and a much loved member of the crew. When you read stories about the cast being upset because there'd been a death among the crew, her death is the one. Your comment is a little insensitive (or perhaps I'm overly sensitive, or both), seeing that a real human died, and was one who was loved by the people involved in making that episode.


Polter-Cow - Apr 22, 2004 10:21:17 am PDT #7710 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I thought the Buffy/Spike bringing the house down sex was rather hot.

I just can't put myself behind Buffy/Spike because of the way he treats her and the obvious self-loathing it creates in Buffy. There are moments in Season Five where I believe Spike cares for her, and some near the end of Season Seven, but for most of this season, it feels like a sick, manipulative lust.

Your comment is a little insensitive (or perhaps I'm overly sensitive, or both), seeing that a real human died, and was one who was loved by the people involved in making that episode.

Oh. Thanks for letting me know. I'm sorry, I certainly didn't mean to be insensitive. It does make sense for Marti to have dedicated the episode to her, then. It's just that I feel bad for her to have been given this episode as a dedication. I guess it doesn't really matter; I don't remember which Angel episode they dedicated to Glenn Quinn. It's the thought, not the episode, that counts. But thank you for the information, and being civil about it.


Wolfram - Apr 22, 2004 10:33:19 am PDT #7711 of 10001
Visilurking

Your comment seemed a bit harsh to me too, P-C, but I took at as a riff off the episode critique.

Just so we're clear, you didn't like it then?


Topic!Cindy - Apr 22, 2004 10:41:00 am PDT #7712 of 10001
What is even happening?

Well, Wrecked was particularly craptacular.


erikaj - Apr 22, 2004 10:43:04 am PDT #7713 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I like Buffy/Spike sex.


Atropa - Apr 22, 2004 10:56:35 am PDT #7714 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I just can't put myself behind Buffy/Spike because of the way he treats her and the obvious self-loathing it creates in Buffy. There are moments in Season Five where I believe Spike cares for her, and some near the end of Season Seven, but for most of this season, it feels like a sick, manipulative lust.

But that's what makes it so compelling, and why some of us are disappointed that S6 wasn't darker in tone. Buffy becoming involved in a destructive, manipulative relationship just so she could feel something AND allowing that relationship to further alienate her from her friends? Spot-on in terms of early 20s fucked-up depression. The only thing that rang horribly, horribly false was the B/S relationship in S7. Once you've realized the person you've been sleeping with is a charming, manipulative psycho? You do not allow him back into your life EVEN if he says he's changed and he did it all for you. You keep a wary distance and/or get a restraining order.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 22, 2004 10:59:40 am PDT #7715 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I like Buffy/Spike sex.

Even the Doublemeat Palace dumpster diving?


erikaj - Apr 22, 2004 11:06:56 am PDT #7716 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

No...although I'd forgotten about it, which makes an incident in one of my fics even funnier and a two-show shoutout...go me.(I actually considered having Munch and Kay knock over somebody's figure of a house so they could break a house, but it strained credibility.)


Vonnie K - Apr 22, 2004 11:07:20 am PDT #7717 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I thought the house-breaking sex in "Smashed" was the hottest thing I've seen on my TV screen in a while. After that, the sex got repetitive and sad and sordid very quickly, which I thought was kind of the point.


§ ita § - Apr 22, 2004 11:08:34 am PDT #7718 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like the Doublemeat Sex. I don't think it was supposed to be hot. Tawdry, and eminently suitable. The Bronze catwalk sex was even better.