You have the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone.

Giles ,'Touched'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Topic!Cindy - Apr 22, 2004 10:41:00 am PDT #7712 of 10001
What is even happening?

Well, Wrecked was particularly craptacular.


erikaj - Apr 22, 2004 10:43:04 am PDT #7713 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I like Buffy/Spike sex.


Atropa - Apr 22, 2004 10:56:35 am PDT #7714 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I just can't put myself behind Buffy/Spike because of the way he treats her and the obvious self-loathing it creates in Buffy. There are moments in Season Five where I believe Spike cares for her, and some near the end of Season Seven, but for most of this season, it feels like a sick, manipulative lust.

But that's what makes it so compelling, and why some of us are disappointed that S6 wasn't darker in tone. Buffy becoming involved in a destructive, manipulative relationship just so she could feel something AND allowing that relationship to further alienate her from her friends? Spot-on in terms of early 20s fucked-up depression. The only thing that rang horribly, horribly false was the B/S relationship in S7. Once you've realized the person you've been sleeping with is a charming, manipulative psycho? You do not allow him back into your life EVEN if he says he's changed and he did it all for you. You keep a wary distance and/or get a restraining order.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 22, 2004 10:59:40 am PDT #7715 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I like Buffy/Spike sex.

Even the Doublemeat Palace dumpster diving?


erikaj - Apr 22, 2004 11:06:56 am PDT #7716 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

No...although I'd forgotten about it, which makes an incident in one of my fics even funnier and a two-show shoutout...go me.(I actually considered having Munch and Kay knock over somebody's figure of a house so they could break a house, but it strained credibility.)


Vonnie K - Apr 22, 2004 11:07:20 am PDT #7717 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I thought the house-breaking sex in "Smashed" was the hottest thing I've seen on my TV screen in a while. After that, the sex got repetitive and sad and sordid very quickly, which I thought was kind of the point.


§ ita § - Apr 22, 2004 11:08:34 am PDT #7718 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like the Doublemeat Sex. I don't think it was supposed to be hot. Tawdry, and eminently suitable. The Bronze catwalk sex was even better.


Atropa - Apr 22, 2004 11:11:27 am PDT #7719 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

The Bronze catwalk sex was even better.

Hot, dysfunctional, and bringing back memories some of us really didn't want to re-live.


Connie Neil - Apr 22, 2004 11:16:34 am PDT #7720 of 10001
brillig

Self-destructive tendencies in fiction just make me go, "Call me when he/she grows up." Dark plots do nothing for me. If I want depressing I'll go to the ER. And the house-breaking sex made me change the channel and check back every few seconds to see if they'd finished.


§ ita § - Apr 22, 2004 11:18:50 am PDT #7721 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Dark plots do nothing for me.

Dark plots are one of the key reasons I tune in to Buffy and Angel.