The whole earth may be sucked into Hell, and you want my help 'cause your girlfriend's a big ho?

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Elena - Mar 27, 2004 6:23:11 pm PST #7321 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

I thought that when they discussed in S7 it was implied that Buffy knew about it all along, but was only now bringing it up.

Oh, I didn't get that impression at all. What makes you think that?

(edit) Because it seem that she was upset/angry with Willow for the whole 'kick his ass' thing, which she wouldn't have been had she known Xander had changed the message.


Maysa - Mar 27, 2004 6:29:11 pm PST #7322 of 10001

Oh, I didn't get that impression at all. What makes you think that?

(edit) Because it seem that she was upset/angry with Willow for the whole 'kick his ass' thing, which she wouldn't have been had she known Xander had changed the message.

You know, I may be remembering this all wrong, because I pretty much refuse to watch S7 again, but I thought when Buffy said the "kick his ass" thing, she knew that Willow had never said it and had just never wanted to open this big can of worms before. Buffy wasn't surprised when Willow said, "I never said that!" was she? Because now I'm thinking that I've just made all this up.

ETA: I just found the transcript and you're definitely right, she thought that Willow really had said that, which, when I think about it, makes no sense. Why would Buffy believe that at the same time Willow was trying to do a re-souling spell, she would also tell Xander to tell Buffy to "kick his ass"? I always thought that (and I guess now this is a fanwank) that after Buffy discovered that Willow did the spell, that she realized Xander had lied to her (I think she probably relived that day quite a bit in her mind) and chose never to bring it up until S7 because it was too painful to contemplate.


Elena - Mar 27, 2004 6:39:02 pm PST #7323 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

Buffy wasn't surprised when Willow said, "I never said that!" was she?

I'm not sure that Buffy heard/processed what Willow was saying, because she and Xander were arguing. They just argued right past the comment.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 27, 2004 6:42:02 pm PST #7324 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

She may have assumed that Willow deecided to try one last time after giving Xander the message.


sj - Mar 27, 2004 6:48:00 pm PST #7325 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Maysa, I saw it the way you did the first time, but upon rewatch I don't think that Buffy heard what Willow said at all.


Maysa - Mar 27, 2004 6:52:48 pm PST #7326 of 10001

So, there really was absolutely no point in even bringing up the lie at all then? In the imaginary version in my head I thought that the fact of Buffy knowing all these years and never addressing it really showed how distanced and untrusting she was with her friends. Now, I just think that it makes Buffy look like an idiot and Xander incredibly callous, that he never, even when given the opportunity years later, set things straight. Or apparently felt any guilt about it.

Sorry for all my confusion.


Elena - Mar 27, 2004 7:01:50 pm PST #7327 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

Aw, Maysa, don't you hate it when the story you remember is better than the story you actually saw?

And, yes, no point at all to it being brought up.


helentm - Mar 27, 2004 7:04:39 pm PST #7328 of 10001
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre

What about the praying mantis eggs in the storage cupboard in teacher's pet?


Maysa - Mar 27, 2004 7:06:56 pm PST #7329 of 10001

Aw, Maysa, don't you hate it when the story you remember is better than the story you actually saw?

Yeah, I didn't think it was possible for S7 to fall lower in my estimation, and yet...


Elena - Mar 27, 2004 7:07:54 pm PST #7330 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

Oooh, that's a good one, helentm. They really should have hatched before they got blowed up with the rest of the school.