Hey, don't worry about it. Nest full of vampires, you come get me, okay. Box full of puppies, that's more of a judgement call.

Jonathan ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Sean K - Jan 04, 2004 10:02:40 pm PST #7117 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Of course, it would be even better if it came with life-sized, living breathing action figures, but I suppose that would be too much to ask for.


Lee - Jan 04, 2004 10:04:42 pm PST #7118 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Life size would be hard to get through the car window, but I guess that could be worked out.


P.M. Marc - Jan 04, 2004 10:05:26 pm PST #7119 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'd unlock my door for Faith.

I'm not saying that's *smart* of me or anything, but I would do it.


Sean K - Jan 04, 2004 10:07:39 pm PST #7120 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Life size would be hard to get through the car window, but I guess that could be worked out.

Yeah, I'm willing to put up with a little inconvenience there.


P.M. Marc - Jan 04, 2004 10:09:17 pm PST #7121 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

One of you needs to get Electric Barbarella out of my head before I kill someone, btw.


Gleebo - Jan 05, 2004 1:45:08 am PST #7122 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

The Duran Duran song or is there now a object that can be planted within one's head by the same name?


amych - Jan 05, 2004 3:35:33 am PST #7123 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Life size would be hard to get through the car window,

Dude, did you not see the opening of Faith, Hope and Trick?


Lyra Jane - Jan 05, 2004 3:49:28 am PST #7124 of 10001
Up with the sun

A follow-up thought from last night: if the other characters weren't supposed to know why Riley left (beyond the surface problems in Buffy and Riley's relationship), the show did a bad job of presenting that, too.

The writers could have made it clear that Xander et. al. were reacting badly to the breakup due to a lack of knowledge; for whatever reasons, they did not. Which is weird, if you assume the character's reactions would have been different if they had known -- and they certainly should have been.

It seems as though the viewer is meant to agree with the "Riley got suckjobs because Buffy neglected him" interpretation. Which, as I said, doesn't match with what we saw onscreen -- or with the fact the show is not called "Riley, Boyfriend of the Vampire Slayer."


Fred Pete - Jan 05, 2004 4:18:18 am PST #7125 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Well, first, Buffy and Riley had to break up in S5. It was part of the "stripping everything away" motif that made it impossible for her to let Dawn die in "The Gift."

I'm in the minority that thinks that Buffy did make a relationship error early in S5. Not by ignoring him in the sense of not worrying about his needs. But by freezing him out and not letting him be supportive. The only thing she let him do was babysit Dawn. Once. She goofed by refusing his help. However, because Buffy was dealing with a genuine crisis, I'd call this a minor error.

But Riley knew as early as "The Replacement" that Buffy didn't love him (and I agree with that view). And instead of being mature and quietly ending the relationship immediately or after Joyce's crisis was over, he sought out new company while keeping the relationship going. Cheating -- one of the two worst relationship sins possible (the other: abuse).

What ME could have done was have Riley tell Buffy that he felt frozen out of the relationship and had decided to transfer (to U of Iowa?). Voila! No more vamp hos. No return to the military (out of character, as far as Riley had one). Less ridiculous for Buffy to blame herself.


Sheryl - Jan 05, 2004 5:27:48 am PST #7126 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

I had liked Riley throughout season 4 and 5 and found ItW annoying because they made it blatent cheating. There were ways they could have had Riley getting deliberately bit which would have worked better, I think. They could have used it as a drug metaphor.(Riley, in a fit of jealous stupidity seeks out Sandy. Much to his surprise, it makes him feel physically better than he has since the Initiative stopped their experiments)

It could also be thrill-seeking or a subconcious death wish.

After being caught Riley realizes he needs to get his head together, and he can't do that in Sunnydale. Voila! Riley leaves, Buffy feels sad, but there is no real blame.