My god...he's gonna do the whole speech.

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Narrator - Dec 14, 2003 7:52:23 am PST #6927 of 10001
The evil is this way?

Was it the manger scene? It does sound a bit ... unreal.


victor infante - Dec 14, 2003 12:15:31 pm PST #6928 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Groo's love/lust for Cordy, unlike Angel's, seemed believable.

Of course, because it was. Angel and Cordy, on the other hand, were never really in love--althought they loved each other as friends--and were just drawn to the idea of being on love with each other out of frustration with their own lives/a desire to cling to some semblance of normality.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.


WildDemon Cornelius - Dec 14, 2003 4:25:43 pm PST #6929 of 10001
Take your fingers off it, don't you dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you, to you...

Victor-you are absolutely correct! Cordy had had the whole turning-into-a-demon-almost-dying-from-visions thing, while Angel had had the whole crazy Connor thing, through which Cordy stuck by him and comforted him. Also Angel seemed vulnerable after the loss of Connor, and they were both separated from Wesley, their oldest friend at AI.


victor infante - Dec 14, 2003 4:56:05 pm PST #6930 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Also Angel seemed vulnerable after the loss of Connor, and they were both separated from Wesley, their oldest friend at AI.

Not to mention the also shared loss of Doyle, whom Cordy DID harbor deep feelings for, and who was one of Angel's first real friends, aside from Buffy.


WildDemon Cornelius - Dec 14, 2003 5:37:25 pm PST #6931 of 10001
Take your fingers off it, don't you dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you, to you...

Good point.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 14, 2003 7:17:18 pm PST #6932 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Not to mention the also shared loss of Doyle, whom Cordy DID harbor deep feelings for, and who was one of Angel's first real friends, aside from Buffy.

Now you've gone and made me all nostalgic for the days when it wasn't Cordy that was the Angel Investigations employee who found the boss attractive.


P.M. Marc - Dec 14, 2003 7:19:40 pm PST #6933 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Now you've gone and made me all nostalgic for the days when it wasn't Cordy that was the Angel Investigations employee who found the boss attractive.

Sigh. We had a good two seasons where it was everyone BUT Cordy.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 14, 2003 7:30:59 pm PST #6934 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Sigh. We had a good two seasons where it was everyone BUT Cordy.

Gunn remained a holdout for the entire duration, IMHO.

But y'know, if one were to assume that Wesley's guy crush on Angel wasn't entirely platonic admiration and need for affirmation....

Didn't his close rapport with Cordelia first begin to cool down a bit when Angel's number one priority became getting back in her good graces post-"Epiphany"? And by the time "Waiting in the Wings" rolled around and Angel was pretty obviously crushing on her, they'd gone from joking camaraderie to acting unaware of each other's existence. While I don't really see much evidence for the idea in canon, it would do a better job of explaining why Cordy & Wes got so frosty toward each other than anything else I've heard.


P.M. Marc - Dec 14, 2003 7:41:02 pm PST #6935 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

And by the time "Waiting in the Wings" rolled around and Angel was pretty obviously crushing on her, they'd gone from joking camaraderie to acting unaware of each other's existence.

WitW had Cordy giving Wes BAD dating advice. I'm now wondering if I'm supposed to blame that on Jasmine.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 14, 2003 7:48:34 pm PST #6936 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Oh, was that where she gave him the "next time, don't invite the whole gang when you want a romantic dinner for two" speech? I'd had it in my mind as the opening of "Billy."