Harrow: You didn't have to wound that man. Mal: Yeah, I know, it was just funny.

'Shindig'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


erikaj - Dec 10, 2003 8:43:00 am PST #6841 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

OMG, really!! No, Buffy remains one of the few shows the Munchkin was never on.(He does hold the current most crossovers, evah at one time record, though)For appearing on H:LOTS, L&O and The X-Files in the same week, if anyone cares. And he's got to be edging up on Grammer's most years as a single character thing, too.


DavidS - Dec 10, 2003 12:49:38 pm PST #6842 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And he's got to be edging up on Grammer's most years as a single character thing, too.

Over Matt Dillon on Gunsmoke?


erikaj - Dec 10, 2003 1:04:39 pm PST #6843 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Oh, I guess Grammer holds the *comedy* record for that, duh. I guess, in the most technical sense, being both 1 hour dramas, Matt still takes that crown(it just feels funny thinking of them as the same thing cause they feel like different planets) And all their murders? Stone dunkers.


§ ita § - Dec 10, 2003 1:09:03 pm PST #6844 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Gunsmoke takes the cake for years, but Belzer's got everyone beat for being the same guy on the most shows. Hell, he's been a regular on different shows, not to mention his guest gigs.


Allan Lang - Dec 10, 2003 2:29:43 pm PST #6845 of 10001
'And on that tragic day, an era came to its inevitable end.' That's all there is.

the WB — cut back on the level of violence during TV's so-called family hour, between 8 and 9 p.m. For the WB, that's due almost entirely to losing one program, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Buffy : And they say one person can't make a difference.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 10, 2003 2:53:42 pm PST #6846 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'll tell you, I'd have felt a lot more worried if the Fundies had liked the show and gotten its highly moral themes.

I'd like to see someone do a content warning guide to the Bible sometime, just for comparison's sake. It has nudity, incest, sodomy, prostitution, murder, war, magic and supernatural creatures, and would probably rank as extremely offensive on those context-free sin-o-meters.


Volans - Dec 10, 2003 3:17:59 pm PST #6847 of 10001
move out and draw fire

What I don't get is:

The story talked a lot about ... the lack of consequences

D'you think they bothered to watch the show and check out the consequences that were visited on the characters?


DCJensen - Dec 10, 2003 5:14:32 pm PST #6848 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

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Cindy - Dec 10, 2003 7:46:13 pm PST #6849 of 10001
Nobody

I'll tell you, I'd have felt a lot more worried if the Fundies had liked the show and gotten its highly moral themes.

Start worrying, Matt.

Grace, redemption, and agape
The show's handling of complex themes works on a grander scale as well. Entire seasons work around a central point, and long-term character arcs chronicle particular struggles. This is what makes the show tick: Realistic characters who grow, learn, and face the ramifications of their actions and ghosts of their past. Problems and temptations don't vanish each week when the music swells.

One of the series' frequently visited topics is redemption. Angel, Buffy's first love, is a century-old vampire plagued by guilt for the wrongs he committed. (Humans lose their souls when they become vampires, which makes it more convenient for them to commit brutality.) Decades ago, Angel was cursed with getting his soul back while still having the temptations and memories of a savage. In a constant search for redemption, Angel (now on his own WB show) does good deeds and fights for the wronged.

Other character developments and actions do not fit as nicely with Christianity. But to the show's credit, issues such as sex and witchcraft are handled (usually) honestly and without glorification.

As for witchcraft, last year's season finale capped off a long-running storyline tracing Willow's budding fascination with magic. At first, the bookworm found it innocent and enticing. Over a few years however, simple tinkering (like levitating pencils) led to darker business. Witchcraft consumed her and hurt those around her. A personal tragedy sent her off the deep end. She killed a human (something taken seriously on Buffy) and threatened others. Willow, with black eyes and dark clothes, raised a pagan temple to use its powers to end the world.

But someone stopped her. It wasn't the chosen one with her super strength. Nor was it someone fighting her witchcraft with more witchcraft. Instead, a friend since kindergarten stood in her way—not armed with a crossbow, but with love.

"You've been my best friend my whole life," Xander told her. "If we are all going to end, where else would I want to be? I know you are in pain and I know you are about to do something apocalyptically stupid but … it doesn't matter, I still love you."

Hatred, vengeance, and witchcraft turned Willow evil, but Xander's unconditional love showed that no sinner is beyond grace. Moments like this explain why Christians such as myself watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

(Note: I realize the classification of witchcraft as evil is going to be offensive to a lot of people here. I also realize the writer either doesn't get, or is writing as if he doesn't get that the show didn't actually promote the idea that witchcraft=evil, but rather, that abuse of power=evil. Still, he got a lot of the themes. No idea if he's literally a fundy, but I'm not sure how literal Matt was being in using the term, either.)


Connie Neil - Dec 10, 2003 8:11:00 pm PST #6850 of 10001
brillig

I realize the classification of witchcraft as evil is going to be offensive to a lot of people here

Baby steps, Cindy. At least the whole thing of Willow being gay was a non-starter in the evil race.