I believed that too. And I don't think evil Spike was capable of the conscious desire to get a soul. But deep down in that twisted love portion of his being, that's what he wanted. And that's what he got.
Except he told the Demony thing he wanted to be "what he was."
I don't believe that "what he was" was a vampire with a soul. Well, maybe the demony thing couldn't make him human agian so he stuffed William back into Spike and made him a pathetic loser overly romantic very bad poet but...that's not Spike and they haven't ever made a clear distinction. If somehow this season they've been clear that hey! this is more of Wiliam than Spike! I would....still be pissed off and want Spike.
Sorry, I'm a little late to the party, but oohhh-- new thread!
I can't help it with the Andrew love.
I used to be him. Not loving him would bespeak a deap-seated pathology on my part.
Same here.
And something else I just remembered that doesn't add up. In previous eps, Buffy was pounded in her fights with Caleb. As in, laying on the floor and can't move pounded. But last night, with Caleb near peak strength (after merging with FE), she was able to take his punches far better. How is it possible? Can we trace it to Axcalibur? Did she take any punches when it was out of her hands?
Except he told the Demony thing he wanted to be "what he was."
I don't know what the writers thought/asspulled but the way I interpreted it was that Spike asked the Demony thing to take his chip out. But the Demony thing gave Spike what he
really
wanted. A soul. And nobody was expecting that, least of all Spike. But after he got it, he realized that it's what he
really
wanted after all.
Another problem with the unsouled vs. souled Spike argument for me is that I see very little difference in behavior between the two. Seems like the same guy to me.
Well, both are still James Marsters.
And something else I just remembered that doesn't add up. In previous eps, Buffy was pounded in her fights with Caleb. As in, laying on the floor and can't move pounded. But last night, with Caleb near peak strength (after merging with FE), she was able to take his punches far better. How is it possible? Can we trace it to Axcalibur? Did she take any punches when it was out of her hands?
I make it a point to never get on this train of thought. Because you'd have to go back to all the fights she somehow won. And don't forget UberVamp.
But they want us to like Spike and even root for him. Ain't gonna happen after an attempted rape.
And yet I do. So go figure.
Souled!Spike is very different than early Spike--not so much from Spike trying to be good of last season. However he IS different--for me he's lost his edge of danger that made him, well, sexy. Now I find myself looking at him and thinking "what a handsome man." Where I used to think "Gimme some of that."
ETA__it's the ScytheAxe. It seemed to give strength to Faith as well.
Did she take any punches when it was out of her hands?
Definitely. Plus a couple of good pick-er-up-and-throw-er-against-the walls, the type that knocked her out earlier this season - like, two eps ago.
Maybe snapping Ms. On-and-On's neck drained Caleb of some of his strength of something.
Man, I suck at fan wanking.
Well, both are still James Marsters.
Let's not do this actor/character thing again. It doesn't end well. IJS.
Well, both are still James Marsters.
Yeah, but DB makes Angel(us) pretty distinct.
JM being a more experienced actor type than DB, methinks that in this case, one must look sternly to the writing.
