Murk: But you're a God! The Sacred Glorificus! Glory: I'm a God in exile. Far from the Hellfires of Home and sharing my body with an enemy that stabs my boys in their fleshy little stomachs!
'Dirty Girls'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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§ ita § - May 14, 2003 12:35:01 pm PDT #55 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Wolfram - May 14, 2003 12:37:02 pm PDT #56 of 10001
Visilurking
Man, ita's redundant today.
Cindy - May 14, 2003 12:37:02 pm PDT #57 of 10001
Nobody
I'm not as anti-that interpretation as others have been, but they weren't clear.
I'm not either. I think it was poorly executed by the writers, the directors and the actor, but I knew it all along. It was a sloppy misdirection.
WRT Andrew, I would rather have seen Jonathan live. I have to admit I've enjoyed Andrew, but I resent him being as prominent when there's so little time left. I think I would have not felt so resentful had Jonathan filled up all this time. But I really wouldn't have wanted to see Jonathan kill Andrew - I wouldn't have wanted Jonathan to fall that far. So - eh.
ZeusGirl - May 14, 2003 12:38:06 pm PDT #58 of 10001
"Angel and Spike, The Starsky and Hutch of the Netherworld" - Albert Einstein in his speech to the U.N. Security Council, Sept., 1955.
Man, ita's redundant today.
I just thought she really wanted to make that point. It was a good point.
Glamcookie - May 14, 2003 12:38:17 pm PDT #59 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
Another problem with the unsouled vs. souled Spike argument for me is that I see very little difference in behavior between the two. Seems like the same guy to me.
askye - May 14, 2003 12:38:30 pm PDT #60 of 10001
Thrive to spite them
I believed that too. And I don't think evil Spike was capable of the conscious desire to get a soul. But deep down in that twisted love portion of his being, that's what he wanted. And that's what he got.
Except he told the Demony thing he wanted to be "what he was."
I don't believe that "what he was" was a vampire with a soul. Well, maybe the demony thing couldn't make him human agian so he stuffed William back into Spike and made him a pathetic loser overly romantic very bad poet but...that's not Spike and they haven't ever made a clear distinction. If somehow this season they've been clear that hey! this is more of Wiliam than Spike! I would....still be pissed off and want Spike.
Lee - May 14, 2003 12:39:17 pm PDT #61 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Sorry, I'm a little late to the party, but oohhh-- new thread!
Fred Pete - May 14, 2003 12:40:54 pm PDT #62 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.
I can't help it with the Andrew love.
I used to be him. Not loving him would bespeak a deap-seated pathology on my part.
Same here.
And something else I just remembered that doesn't add up. In previous eps, Buffy was pounded in her fights with Caleb. As in, laying on the floor and can't move pounded. But last night, with Caleb near peak strength (after merging with FE), she was able to take his punches far better. How is it possible? Can we trace it to Axcalibur? Did she take any punches when it was out of her hands?
Wolfram - May 14, 2003 12:42:02 pm PDT #63 of 10001
Visilurking
Except he told the Demony thing he wanted to be "what he was."
I don't know what the writers thought/asspulled but the way I interpreted it was that Spike asked the Demony thing to take his chip out. But the Demony thing gave Spike what he really wanted. A soul. And nobody was expecting that, least of all Spike. But after he got it, he realized that it's what he really wanted after all.
ZeusGirl - May 14, 2003 12:42:43 pm PDT #64 of 10001
"Angel and Spike, The Starsky and Hutch of the Netherworld" - Albert Einstein in his speech to the U.N. Security Council, Sept., 1955.
Another problem with the unsouled vs. souled Spike argument for me is that I see very little difference in behavior between the two. Seems like the same guy to me.
Well, both are still James Marsters.