Why would he have a scruple about that if he killed children on a regular basis? Except, I know plenty of Buffistas who had it in mind that Spike was not capable of the attack in Seeing Red, and saw it out of character.

There are serial killers who have never raped, and serial rapists who have never killed, so to say that because Spike killed children, he must also have an inner rapist is just silly. I think Spike probably did rape a lot of his victims over the years, but it's not a logical conclusion you can draw from the girl-in-a-coalbin story. It's a logical conclusion you can draw from Crush, from Lover's Walk, from the fact that Angelus was his mentor, and from the vampire metaphor in general, but not from the fact that Spike killed kids.

And now, to pick a nit that's been picked countless times in the past year and a half...

"out of character" != "not capable of"

Not even a little bit. I argued that it was out of character -- I thought I was watching JM and SMG workshopping a scene from another show, I thought it was so out of character, for both of them. Not necessarily the act itself, but the anvilly After School Special, Rape Is Bad Boys And Girls So Don't Be Like Spike! execution. But I don't recall anyone saying they thought Spike was incapable of rape. I mostly recall people on the side of "it was in character" trying to make the point that evil = capable of rape --> in character, and people on the side of "I have no idea what show I just watched" pointing out the very nit I have just picked.

folks that think Spike is merely a misunderstood puppy would have had a canonical moment (not the only one, however) where it was made explicit that Spike was capable of rape.

Some, sure.

Here? I haven't seen it.

Not all evil people do all evil things to everyone.

In fact, none do.

Again with the PHBBT! (blinks sweetly). You obviously aren't one of us who wore out that portion of our tape. Because, of course, those last ten minutes? Still fucking hot. (As are: Faith torturing Wes, Riley staking Spike, and Wes shooting his hand out to grab Lilah's neck. Because bad things feel good.)

Heh. I've got surprisingly little porn value out of my BtVS and Angel watching. Vamp!Willow spun my number hard, so when she broke the fingers of that hench vamp, and absolutely when she tortured the puppy, and the infamous Menage a Chomp that Teppy is so fond of. After that...hmmm. Dru torturing Angel. Justine in the closet. I'm running out of kinky scenes I liked. See, my experience would've been very different if I were drawn by the sex appeal - as fans of Angel, Spike and Scruffy!Wes had.

It's a logical conclusion you can draw from Crush, from Lover's Walk, from the fact that Angelus was his mentor, and from the vampire metaphor in general, but not from the fact that Spike killed kids.

Fair enough. That was enough for me, and I think the writers felt that way about Spike. And as you note, there's other canonical evidence from which it would be a logical inference. Like I said, it was obvious to me that Spike would rape and had raped.

Favorite kinky/porny BtVS scenes:

Angel biting Buffy in Grad. Part II
Angel and Spike and the kiss on the head (is that kinky? it wasn't directly porny, so I'm counting it)
Xander and Buffy in the Pack (but that is mostly just Xander being hot)
Angelus and Buffy kissing in I Only Have Eyes... (again, not straight up kinky, but still very twisted)
Fuffy and Spike
Spike and notquiteafullslayer!Buffy in Superstar when he taunts, touches her AND calls her Betty.

The tearing-down-the-house-sex was great until I re-watched it and was just super unimpressed with JM's acting. It's the morning after scene in Wrecked that I think he nailed (pun so completely intended).

edited because he calls her Betty I think, not Betsy.

Most of my fav badness involves Wes. I admit this.

I will note, however, that I didn't *start* watching for the sexy, nor is that why I kept watching. It was just a side benefit.

Heh. In terms of the show's kinkiness, I so loved it when Joyce went to Angel's home in "The Prom" and cast that dubious look at the chains on the wall.

One thing I always regretted was that the two of them didn't have more scenes interacting with each other.

I will note, however, that I didn't *start* watching for the sexy, nor is that why I kept watching. It was just a side benefit.

No, I didn't think so. But I was just realizing that that's a dimension that some folks get regularly from the show that I have not.

Having just rewatched "Normal Again", I am now wanking Season 7's Winnebago-sized plot holes, character inconsistencies & asspulls as Buffy's doctors using better drugs.

No, really. Once Sunnydale falls into the giant hole, she'll realize that it had a port but now it's in a desert. Then she wakes up and eventually pursues a career in Office Administration, goes out on weekends for Secretary Night at the karaoke bar, and develops an obsession with "The Rules".

Ok, so it's not a happy ending.

No, I didn't think so. But I was just realizing that that's a dimension that some folks get regularly from the show that I have not.

Amy Acker's ass also gives me pleasure.

So, you know, I could be easy.