I don't think Spike would want Vamp!buffy, just like he wouldn't have wanted raped!Buffy. However, they're the ends of his be-like-me and his sex-me quests -- I just like the first quest better, narratively. Whatever he tried would have to be something he regretted, after all.
Angel: He is dead. Technically, he's undead. It's a zombie. Connor: What's a zombie? Angel: It's an undead thing. Connor: Like you? Angel: No, zombies are slow-moving, dimwitted things that crave human flesh. Connor: Like you. Angel: No! It's different. Trust me.
'Destiny'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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§ ita § - Jul 30, 2003 8:40:42 pm PDT #3945 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Michele T. - Jul 30, 2003 8:47:51 pm PDT #3946 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
Can I just say, for the record, how much I hate the abbreviation "AR"? To me, it reads like a way of dismissing the event -- if we can turn it into a breezy abbreviation, we don't have to use the word "rape" in discussing what happened.
Michele T. - Jul 30, 2003 8:48:59 pm PDT #3947 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
Also, while I'm here Alyson Hannigan was just on The Daily Show, and talked at length about her fiancee, whose name Jon Stewart made fun of ("the heir to the Denisof fortune?").
Daisy Jane - Jul 30, 2003 8:51:17 pm PDT #3948 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
I've been watching her pretty much all evening on FX. My favorite part has been when Jason Biggs tried to quote her line at her.
JB: What's my name bitch? AH: smirking Jerk.
DCJensen - Jul 30, 2003 8:52:34 pm PDT #3949 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.
JB: What's my name bitch? AH: smirking Jerk.
I was just watching that.
Daisy Jane - Jul 30, 2003 8:56:02 pm PDT #3950 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
It's on for the second time here. Just kinda leaving it on in the background.
Also, I should have said in the last post. I understand (and I think it's come up before) the concern over not using the word rape when we talk about what Spike did to Buffy. I don't think it's meant to be a breezy acronym, I think it's just that it's such a well known event (I want to almost call it a trademark kinda thing) that we don't have to spell it out, so we don't. Much the same way we don't spell out actor's names, well we mostly don't.
Michele T. - Jul 30, 2003 9:07:15 pm PDT #3951 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
But, Heather, there are plenty of well-known events: Angel goes to Hell; the school blows up; Xander lies; Buffy dies. These have all been discussed here and elsewhere for years without acronyms. Spike's attempted rape of Buffy is the only such event to get acronymed, and I think it's because of the reasons I listed above.
RobertH - Jul 30, 2003 9:14:10 pm PDT #3952 of 10001
Disaffected college student
I imagine more people would talk about the ACC if it didn't cause sports-related confusion.
Daisy Jane - Jul 30, 2003 9:26:32 pm PDT #3953 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
Yes, but none of them are consistantly called by the same name. I mean, if we were continually calling Xander's lie Xander's Big Lie we would shorten it to XBL (and I think we should because it's much easier to type). Also, since the episode has aired it has been the most talked about, and so needed the shortening.
Edited to say- If you'll notice, I also shortened Attempted Vamping to AV.
P.M. Marc - Jul 30, 2003 9:27:13 pm PDT #3954 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
But, Heather, there are plenty of well-known events: Angel goes to Hell; the school blows up; Xander lies; Buffy dies. These have all been discussed here and elsewhere for years without acronyms. Spike's attempted rape of Buffy is the only such event to get acronymed, and I think it's because of the reasons I listed above.
All those are shorthand, as is AR.
I get sick of typing "attempted rape" over and over and over again in the course of an argument or discussion.
The big difference I see between the AR and the alley beating is that Spike consented to the beating.
There is, of course, that.
Which, given the number of times I see the beating in the alley used to say "see? even!", just kind of makes me mad.
I am currently having to decide whether to take back a husband who left me and our two small children six months ago for another woman. I consider that betrayal to be a lot worse than a one-off incident of violence or sexual violence.
Heh. I take it from the rest of the context that you haven't experienced the latter, and I pray you never do, because no one should. But, in my experience, being left for another woman doesn't leave you flinching away from a hand getting too close to your face or leave you fighting panic attacks and flashbacks at a sound or smell that reminds you of the incident.