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Try there. You may have to copy and paste the URL into your browser's address bar.

They mention "The Wish" three times on that page. Good luck, Teppy.

Later, gators.

Believe it or not, I found that page, and it doesn't have exactly the one I wanted. I'm fussy.

Cindy, pretty much, speaks for me in all things.

ita, this is of course, very subjective on my part, but in trying to think of a way in which one could resume a romantic relationship with someone who tried to rape/raped, i came up with this scenario:

I think if the rapist was someone that the person was in love with, married to, in a mutually loving relationship, and the rapist fell down a drug well, was under the influence of some mind-altering substance for some time, that sort of thing, and then took the steps needed for change, to get back to the person he once was,

I don't know if this has been mentioned already, or if this is the best place for it, but ASH is going to be in the MI-5 episode airing on Aug. 11. I'll be having to convince my housemate that we have to tape the episode of Queer Eye airing opposite and watch it the next day.

MI-5 will repeat later the same night -- check your listing. . . of course, so will Queer Eye. (Midnight in the Central Time Zone.)

And it's also repeated on the Saturday following it's first airing -- so Tuesday the 12th and Saturday the 16th.

It's a hard question, isn't it, Allyson? And not one that I want to be able to answer with authority.

Which is one good reason I'd have been happy if ME had just never gone there.

Thanks, Sumi. Fortunately they both are aired several times. Yay Cable! But when MI-5 premiered last week it was on at 9 which I thought would make a nice night o' tv, watching that followed by Queer Eye.

I think if the rapist was someone that the person was in love with, married to, in a mutually loving relationship, and the rapist fell down a drug well, was under the influence of some mind-altering substance for some time

That might apply in some relationships (none I've ever seen, but I ain't seen every thing). I think it might explain Willow/Tara to some extent. But it doesn't really have any bearing on the Buffy/Spike relationship. That wasn't a loving caring partnership that devolved; it was an abusive mindfuck that devolved. It started out in a sick unhealthy place & got unhealthier. Again, that's one of the reason that (to me, anyhow) that the AR was a "logical" action for Spike to take, given Spike's personal romantic past (I'll just torture her till she loves me again) and the Buffy/Spike history.

My post got all jumbled and fucked up in the sending, or in the cut and paste from my text editor. Weird.

But the gist was, "the relationship would have had to have been long and loving, followed by a really shitty trigger like drug dependancy, followed by a long road of recovery and forgiveness, in order to restore the relationship...and even then? It'd be forever changed, due to both the attempted rape, the drug abuse, the recovery."

And that's just a theoretical way that maybe I'd accept that as an audience member. Mutant Enemy needed a refresher course in time management last season. It would have taken more than one season to recover, even if they were at the top of their game. The attempted rape was a bad move.

I think, if he had tried to turn her into a vampire, I would have bought it as a desperate act, and more in tune with the character, and also as a catalyst for him saying, "If I can't change her, I need to change me."