What? I'm not allowed to hit people? Wesley: Not people capable of genocide. Angel: Those are exactly the types of people I should be allowed to hit!

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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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DCJensen - Jul 28, 2003 4:10:13 pm PDT #3729 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Oh Dear, i do belive we have another word to the Buffista Lexicon.


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2003 4:15:01 pm PDT #3730 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the DVD Directors Cut of the Dawson's Creek Finale

Curses. Netflix doesn't have it.

Yet.


P.M. Marc - Jul 28, 2003 4:15:09 pm PDT #3731 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Twice? I missed one, then. Where, where? You know the one I saw. I saw the missing Chosen scene that you did, that made me all better again.

It's somewhere in the LJ, which is being a Devon. Flashfic challenge thing.

Somehow this is interpreted as their ditched partners hurting THEM, when I actually thought being ditched made you a free agent.

You don't, when ditched, sleep with your ex-honey's friends until the statute of limitations has run out. It's just not good manners.


Daisy Jane - Jul 28, 2003 4:16:05 pm PDT #3732 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Self-righteous wrath on the part of Buffy and Xander.

I only remember Xander reacting that way. I remember Buffy being shocked and hurt, but no wrath.

And I'm not sure that Xander's position was wholly unjustified. I mean, sure Spike may have been comfortcookie, but did she have to sleep with the one guy Xander loathes. He's prolly gonna have icky Buffy/Angel associations too. I understand the wrath.


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2003 4:18:09 pm PDT #3733 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the one guy Xander loathes

She coulda slept with Angel.

Actually, would it hurt worse to sleep with someone like Riley that Xander basically boycrushes on?


P.M. Marc - Jul 28, 2003 4:20:33 pm PDT #3734 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Actually, would it hurt worse to sleep with someone like Riley that Xander basically boycrushes on?

Good question. I kind of doubt it, though it would ruin the boycrush.

I think part of the hurt and shock Buffy felt was from the casual cruelty of Spike smacking Xander (and, because of the way it was said, her) in the face with "Good enough for Buffy."


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2003 4:21:50 pm PDT #3735 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I figure maybe the boycrush being damaged is worse -- Xander likes hating Spike. For Anya to make him hate Riley -- that would be evil.


Daisy Jane - Jul 28, 2003 4:23:19 pm PDT #3736 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Either one is bad, but in different ways. I'm not sure which is worse.


Lady O' Spain - Jul 28, 2003 4:32:21 pm PDT #3737 of 10001
Red hair and black leather--my favorite color scheme.

See, I never hated Buffy, because even when I thought she was acting wrongly, or rashly, or selfishly, I still understood why she was acting the way she did. In other words, I understood her motivation, even when I thought that what she was doing was wrong, wrong, wrong. I never felt that she was out of character, and I felt that the evolution of her character was logical, even when it was extremely painful to watch.

As an example, I felt that her attitude in season 6 made perfect sense--pulled back from bliss into a world filled with pain, and dead mothers, and bills, and sulky shoplifting sisters, and memory-wiping friends, and social workers, and minimum wage....I thought that the emotional numbness and distance and undead-shagging was a logical reaction. Didn't mean that it was fun to watch (it wasn't) or that I didn't want to whack her upside the head and tell her to get over herself (I did. Often.) I understood Buffy. I didn't always agree with her.

Or at least I understood her up until season 7, when I think my brain imploded from trying to always create a logical connection between the characters' pasts, what I thought their motivations were, and their current actions. But I don't blame Buffy (the character) for that. Something went wrong somewhere else. Still trying to figure out where.

ETA: Um, what's a Spoldemort? 'Cause I'm parsing it as Spike/Voldemort, and that's....um....that can't be right.


Kassto - Jul 28, 2003 5:47:30 pm PDT #3738 of 10001
`He combed his hair, Put on a shirt that his mother made, And he went on the air...'

You don't, when ditched, sleep with your ex-honey's friends until the statute of limitations has run out. It's just not good manners.

Don't agree with this. Firstly, I don't see Anya and Buffy as being particularly close. Secondly, I think its incredibly rich for the dumper to get all righteous at the dumpee, when they know how much hurt they've inflicted, and when they're the one who didn't want the relationship anymore. And I don't think good manners ever entered Buffy's behaviour towards Spike. Why does he get judged by different standards?

I think part of the hurt and shock Buffy felt was from the casual cruelty of Spike smacking Xander (and, because of the way it was said, her) in the face with "Good enough for Buffy."

Interesting how two people can watch a scene and take absolutely the opposite meaning from it. You see this as casual cruelty on Spike's part. I see it as Spike being the victim of yet more ``filthy disgusting thing'' talk from Xander, which he also regularly got from Buffy. And having sex with this filthy thing was such a shameful thing that Buffy would never tell her friends. So Spike, in a state of suicidal despair, and being told once again that although these women want to screw him, he's not worth the dirt under their shoes, just ``outs'' his relationship with Buffy. Fair enough, I say. My God, if the sexes were reversed in this situation, if Spike were a woman (demon or otherwise, good or evil) being treated like this, there would be absolute HELL to pay from people who assume that Spike got all he deserved.