Aside from these gripes, finding BtVS has been a huge thing for me, and reading -- over the last few months -- years' worth of your fascinating, brilliant, absolutely spot-on, irritating, highly-educated, super-informed, totally wrongheaded and bizarre thoughts on this strange and wonderful TV show have been an enormous pleasure.

I'm so glad we can share it with you, Kassto. And hello, since I haven't been in UnAmericans in some time.

Watching someone restrain an impulse to do evil for the greater good is fascinating for me.

Absolutely. Sometimes being able to restrain, maybe sometimes not, and all for complicated reasons -- in chippedand unsouled!Spike's case, those reasons could include love, traces of William, sheer stubbornness and contrariness, and vague chippiness. Much more interesting.

And PMM. I'm too innocent for this place. What did I say? What did I say? To spark off that...thing.

Thankyou kindly Consuela.

I've been contemplating William's social status there in Victorian England. Not just among his "peers", but vis a vis his family. I was looking at some screen caps from "Lies My Parents Told Me" (I think that's the title, where we meet William's mum), and the room caught my eye. That's a full-length portrait there above the fireplace, and to have the space to properly display a full-length portrait, you need a tall room, and for that you need a good-sized house. And aside from that, full-length portraits aren't cheap, and it takes a bit of social wherewithal to require a full-length portrait.

From what I could see of the portrait, it's of a woman, and I think a relatively young one at that, due to the style of gown. Is it of a relative, or maybe of Mum herself? Mum's obviously a widow, given the dress she was wearing, but she could have sat for the portrait as a young wife or the daughter of a wealthy family. The money has stayed with the family, though, given they're in a house of sufficient size to display the portrait. And William obviously isn't too concerned about maintaining/improving the family fortune, given he's immersed himself in the languid poet thing. I don't think it's because he's poor that he wore the suit he did to that party, I think it's because he doesn't have much sense.

I think they put them in old clothes and an old house and gave no thought whatsoever to the status implications of either.

The only class concern, likely, was that William spoke "posh," whatever that might be, and that Spike's accent is an affectation.

Cicily said "you're beneath me" when she rejected him so Buffy could echo it later. She probably meant he was a geek and she wasn't.

Has anyone seen this?

[link]

Online e-comic written by Petrie. Only the first part seems to be up yet.

Cicily said "you're beneath me" when she rejected him so Buffy could echo it later. She probably meant he was a geek and she wasn't.

I have wanked that in my head to be "I'me a vengeance demon and you are human"...

Actually that wouldn't require too much of a wank. Allow me.

Cecilly was sitting alone wasn't she, at the gathering in FFL? I think part of her embarassment at the poem and rejection of William could have been that she was rejected herself for being underclass. She's kind of in this situation where she's maybe in love with someone above her (perhaps the man who read the poem) and being liked by William makes her feel like she's a loser, so she's just as cruel to be one of the "in crowd." Perhaps her status is the fault of her parents (They didn't make enough money/behave the right way/send her to the right charm school) and so she blames them for her lot in life-becomes vengance demon.

If Halfrek was getting her vengeance on in the Crimean War (1854-56, thank you, Google), she'd have already been a demon in 1880.

But hey, don't let that stop anyone wanking.

Hrm. Ok. Got nothing. Though I think my wank can be adapted.

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/buffy/ecomics/index.shtml

Online e-comic written by Petrie. Only the first part seems to be up yet.

Cool. I like Buffy comics that don't require the spending of money.

ETA: ...and I keep misreading the name of the site as 'Buffy Economics".

Took me a little while to figure out when exactly it was set, though.