Jeez, don't get all Movie of the Week. I was just too cheap to buy you a real present.

Dawn ,'The Killer In Me'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 20, 2003 10:42:32 am PDT #3504 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Is there another kind of AH?

There was that one magazine shot (FHM?) that made her look like the Joker a few years ago. But generally, pretty photogenic.


Jeff Mejia - Jul 20, 2003 12:02:13 pm PDT #3505 of 10001
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Cordelia: When she shows up at the prom in the dress Xander bought for her, I think. It's certainly her most hopeful and dignified moment.

This is good, but I think the situation of impending poverty and lack of college options makes this bittersweet at best. (Of course, most of the moments are like that in the ME universe). Somone upthread mentioned that Cordelia really didn't have that many happy moments in her life. Maybe when she was elected May Queen in "Out of Mind, Out of Sight".

Giles: At the end of Checkpoint. His little girl had grown up, and he'd made his point.

I thought about this initally, but the moment had to be fleeting (again), since the fact that they were going up against a god would have put Giles' into "worry" mode pretty quickly. Although by that time, I think Giles had a pretty strong belief in Buffy's ability to overcome any obstacle. At the beginning of "Spiral", when Buffy and Dawn showed up after running away from Glory, I think Giles said "I knew you could beat her" or words to that effect (I'm too lazy to look up the exact words today).

And if she's wrong, the world ends and so does Dawn.

(re: Buffy diving off the tower) Dawn was still there and could jump if Buffy wasn't successful, so it wasn't a risk in that fashion. I still believe that her Slayer Intuition gave her the clarity to realize her course of action would work.

Joyce - when Buffy's SATs came back and were good and she thought that Faith could take over the slaying and her daughter could go to college and live a normal life.

Yes, this. This is good. The perfect moment for Joyce. (I never counted "Band Candy" moments for either Joyce or Giles because those were drug-induced.)


victor infante - Jul 20, 2003 12:12:17 pm PDT #3506 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I never counted "Band Candy" moments for either Joyce or Giles because those were drug-induced.

I've had many happy drug-induced moments. IJS.


Elena - Jul 20, 2003 3:19:24 pm PDT #3507 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

Until season 6 there was always something for me to enjoy in even the weakest episode. A funny line or two, some pitch perfect character note, a moment of grace. I don't know if I got crankier or if less care was being taken, but since season 6 I've had several episodes that just left me cold and unsatisfied.


Miss Vanna - Jul 20, 2003 4:41:31 pm PDT #3508 of 10001
I 've been hands under the shirt, over the bra, Calvins in a wad on the front seat with some S7 Buffy spoilers - but we never went all the way ~tinaf

I don't know, it seemed like the general consensus hated Doublemeat Palace and I thought that one was pretty funny. Then again, I am the girl who was also amused by Beer Bad, because as always even the worst Buffy is among the best.


Jessica - Jul 20, 2003 4:50:28 pm PDT #3509 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Until season 6 there was always something for me to enjoy in even the weakest episode.

Reptile Boy.

For me, it was mostly the acting that changed. It didn't help that they also forgot how to light, direct and edit the show, but I doubt the waning production values would have been as noticeable if the acting had been up to par.

Until S6, the actors all seemed for the most part like they wanted to be there. It wasn't just that S6 was writted dark and gloomy, it didn't look like any of them were having any fun making the show anymore. And S7 was even worse in that regard -- the only performances I could watch without cringing were TL and EC. (I think because EC knew she wasn't coming back for an 8th season whether there was one or not, and TL because he'd only been playing the character for a year.) But the rest of them just looked so tired, and JM's Scenery Chewing Of Overcompensation For Everyone Else's Lethargy didn't help.


Elena - Jul 20, 2003 5:02:38 pm PDT #3510 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

Reptile Boy.

Had Giles saying 'You were almost eaten by a giant snake. The phrase 'let this be a lesson to you' are a tad redundant.' and Xander saying 'Someday I'll be rich and powerful and when that day comes they'll still be better than me." - paraphrased, of course, but the first is funny and true to the character, and the second showed me something of the depths of Xander's soul.

It took very little to make me happy. That's why it surprises me that I could find so little joy and/or truth from parts of season 6 and 7.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 20, 2003 5:15:55 pm PDT #3511 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I think I can find a redeeming moment or line of dialogue in just about any episdoe of Buffy. Don't quiz me too hard on season 7, though, only because I haven't re-watched as seriously yet. (Saving it, actually, not putting it off)


Michele T. - Jul 20, 2003 5:18:56 pm PDT #3512 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Reptile Boy.

Had Giles saying 'You were almost eaten by a giant snake. The phrase 'let this be a lesson to you' are a tad redundant.'

And Willow telling off Giles and Angel! "And you! You're gonna live forever; you don't have time for a cup of coffee?!?" The whole B-plot on "Reptile Boy" was great, I thought.


Steph L. - Jul 20, 2003 5:24:16 pm PDT #3513 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I never saw that as fulfillment of a death wish. I think I am very alone. I never saw it as suicidal. I never saw it as giving up. I just saw it as her next turn at throwing her life between death and people she loves, and this time, she knew she'd really save the world.

I see it as a moment of perfect clarity, where she finally realizes what she has to do. She knows how to save the world, her friends, and Dawn, and how to make everything all better in one fell swoop.

At the time The Gift aired, I thought it was a huge cop-out -- on the *character's* part, not Joss/ME's part. But I showed my Mom "Prophecy Girl" the other day, and Buffy did essentially the same thing, all the way back in S1. She didn't want to fight the Master, she "quit," even tried to get Joyce to go out of town with her, but in the end, when she was talking with Willow after the slaughter in the AV room, Willow asks "What are we going to do?" Buffy replies "What we have to." Her expression is so resolved -- she's *going* to fight the Master, even if it means she's going to die. For all she knew, she was going to die. (And, of course, *did*, although it didn't last.)

S1 has some good, good stuff on re-watch.