Until season 6 there was always something for me to enjoy in even the weakest episode. A funny line or two, some pitch perfect character note, a moment of grace. I don't know if I got crankier or if less care was being taken, but since season 6 I've had several episodes that just left me cold and unsatisfied.
You always think harder is better. Maybe next time I patrol, I should carry bricks and use a stake made out of butter.
Buffy ,'The Killer In Me'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Elena - Jul 20, 2003 3:19:24 pm PDT #3507 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
Miss Vanna - Jul 20, 2003 4:41:31 pm PDT #3508 of 10001
I 've been hands under the shirt, over the bra, Calvins in a wad on the front seat with some S7 Buffy spoilers - but we never went all the way ~tinaf
I don't know, it seemed like the general consensus hated Doublemeat Palace and I thought that one was pretty funny. Then again, I am the girl who was also amused by Beer Bad, because as always even the worst Buffy is among the best.
Jessica - Jul 20, 2003 4:50:28 pm PDT #3509 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Until season 6 there was always something for me to enjoy in even the weakest episode.
Reptile Boy.
For me, it was mostly the acting that changed. It didn't help that they also forgot how to light, direct and edit the show, but I doubt the waning production values would have been as noticeable if the acting had been up to par.
Until S6, the actors all seemed for the most part like they wanted to be there. It wasn't just that S6 was writted dark and gloomy, it didn't look like any of them were having any fun making the show anymore. And S7 was even worse in that regard -- the only performances I could watch without cringing were TL and EC. (I think because EC knew she wasn't coming back for an 8th season whether there was one or not, and TL because he'd only been playing the character for a year.) But the rest of them just looked so tired, and JM's Scenery Chewing Of Overcompensation For Everyone Else's Lethargy didn't help.
Elena - Jul 20, 2003 5:02:38 pm PDT #3510 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
Reptile Boy.
Had Giles saying 'You were almost eaten by a giant snake. The phrase 'let this be a lesson to you' are a tad redundant.' and Xander saying 'Someday I'll be rich and powerful and when that day comes they'll still be better than me." - paraphrased, of course, but the first is funny and true to the character, and the second showed me something of the depths of Xander's soul.
It took very little to make me happy. That's why it surprises me that I could find so little joy and/or truth from parts of season 6 and 7.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 20, 2003 5:15:55 pm PDT #3511 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I think I can find a redeeming moment or line of dialogue in just about any episdoe of Buffy. Don't quiz me too hard on season 7, though, only because I haven't re-watched as seriously yet. (Saving it, actually, not putting it off)
Michele T. - Jul 20, 2003 5:18:56 pm PDT #3512 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
Reptile Boy.
Had Giles saying 'You were almost eaten by a giant snake. The phrase 'let this be a lesson to you' are a tad redundant.'
And Willow telling off Giles and Angel! "And you! You're gonna live forever; you don't have time for a cup of coffee?!?" The whole B-plot on "Reptile Boy" was great, I thought.
Steph L. - Jul 20, 2003 5:24:16 pm PDT #3513 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism
I never saw that as fulfillment of a death wish. I think I am very alone. I never saw it as suicidal. I never saw it as giving up. I just saw it as her next turn at throwing her life between death and people she loves, and this time, she knew she'd really save the world.
I see it as a moment of perfect clarity, where she finally realizes what she has to do. She knows how to save the world, her friends, and Dawn, and how to make everything all better in one fell swoop.
At the time The Gift aired, I thought it was a huge cop-out -- on the *character's* part, not Joss/ME's part. But I showed my Mom "Prophecy Girl" the other day, and Buffy did essentially the same thing, all the way back in S1. She didn't want to fight the Master, she "quit," even tried to get Joyce to go out of town with her, but in the end, when she was talking with Willow after the slaughter in the AV room, Willow asks "What are we going to do?" Buffy replies "What we have to." Her expression is so resolved -- she's *going* to fight the Master, even if it means she's going to die. For all she knew, she was going to die. (And, of course, *did*, although it didn't last.)
S1 has some good, good stuff on re-watch.
Jeff Mejia - Jul 20, 2003 5:51:11 pm PDT #3514 of 10001
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert
S1 has some good, good stuff on re-watch.
I agree, but "I Robot, You Jane" still misses by miles. I just can't help it that when I see Moloch in the robot suit, I keep thinking that he looks like the Emperor Zurg from the Toy Story movies.
The ending, though, when the gang realizes that all of their relationships will be doomed because they live on the Hellmouth, is very sad. Maybe now that they destroyed the town (did the Hellmouth get destroyed as well? I wonder), the "curse" will be lifted.
Elena - Jul 20, 2003 5:53:00 pm PDT #3515 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
"I Robot, You Jane"
The whole axe-murdering circus freak conversation still floors me.
Steph L. - Jul 20, 2003 5:54:08 pm PDT #3516 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism
(did the Hellmouth get destroyed as well? I wonder)
Heh. If it didn't get destroyed, it's in for some SERIOUS rehab. Trading Spaces wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot measuring tape.