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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.

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tina f. - Jul 10, 2003 9:42:58 am PDT #3289 of 10001

My instinct says it was this:

the First messing w/Dawn's mind

but I would not argue with this

No -- Buffy "chose" the potentials, as future slayers.

Dawn was not chosen. I don't think the fact she wasn't a potential matters, only that she was not in the group of people Buffy "chose."

as canon as to how FE!Joyce ended up telling the "truth". Especially given the title of the finale.

If you want to get real technical though - the FE couldn't have known Dawn wouldn't get chosen, because that means it would have known Buffy's plan to defeat the ubervamp army was to activate the potentials - and it didn't know that. Or...did it? cues scary "doom doom doom doom" music

Cindy - Jul 10, 2003 9:44:59 am PDT #3290 of 10001

Nobody

My instinct says it was this:

the First messing w/Dawn's mind

In the strictest sense, we already know the above to be "true" because the writer has confirmed she was writing FE-as-Joyce.

It's just that when you take away the meta knowledge, for me, that scene is much more likely to be Joyce, than to be the FE as Joyce, because of all that happens in that episode.

tina f. - Jul 10, 2003 9:52:40 am PDT #3291 of 10001

In the strictest sense, we already know the above to be "true" because the writer has confirmed she was writing FE-as-Joyce.

I know this doesn't need to be stated yet again, but I'm gonna: that's just lame.

I know there were situations where the FE was just messing with folks - Eve with the potentials mostly - but there so could have been a great payoff of the Joyce and Dawn thing.

OK - I'm over it now.

Typo Boy - Jul 10, 2003 10:29:24 am PDT #3292 of 10001

Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think the best explanation of how all this fits together is: Dawn mushroom green lantern marshmallow cocoa.

t /Allyson

DCJensen - Jul 10, 2003 11:54:27 am PDT #3293 of 10001

All is well that ends in pizza.

Don't you just want to date Shawn's BF?

No, but I do want to ~~lock him up and do experiments on him~~ study his reactions to the eps from an outsider perspective.

Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 10, 2003 12:02:15 pm PDT #3294 of 10001

"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I was among those who assumed from the start that "Joyce" in CWDP was actually the First Evil. It seems to me that at first the carnage ("Mother's milk is red tonitght," etc.) was revealed as illusion until Dawn (like Willow, later) started messing with magic and opened the door for it to seize control of her spell. Also note that despite Dawn invoking everyone who loved her, her actual attitude during that spell was tinged by anger and hate ("Die, bastard!"), emotional states more in line with the First than the nebulous forces of Good.

Elena - Jul 10, 2003 1:26:47 pm PDT #3295 of 10001

Thanks for all the fish.

It would have been fitting to have the FE appear as Buffy to, say, the Scoobies, the Potentials, Andrew, Dawn, Wood, the paperboy - anyone aside from just Caleb and Spike. Because it would have completely fucked with them, which is what the FE seemed to be trying to accomplish. Honestly, get a truly truth-twisting and evil Buffy saying things to Willow or Dawn? I think we would have seen some nice torture there.

Hayden - Jul 10, 2003 1:34:43 pm PDT #3296 of 10001

aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Sheesh, when I think about Season Seven, I just want to rewrite it, top-to-bottom.

bon bon - Jul 10, 2003 1:36:52 pm PDT #3297 of 10001

It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

study his reactions to the eps from an outsider perspective.

It's like how a child gets you to appreciate the simple things. All those lines I've heard a thousand times he's hearing for the first time and laughing his ass off-- so far, "what he lacks in smarts he makes up in lack of smarts" is like his favorite.

§ ita § - Jul 10, 2003 1:38:11 pm PDT #3298 of 10001

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Whose line is that, Shawn?

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